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re: The decline is not real
Posted on 2/6/14 at 12:14 pm to tubucoco
Posted on 2/6/14 at 12:14 pm to tubucoco
quote:While this is a giant wall of text, I get your point. The offensive philosophy of Les Miles is an area of concern (and has been for many years) and is an area where the 'decline' arguments start to have some traction. I am worried that now with the addition of Fournette we go back to 'ground and pound', one dimensional option attack with the QB being nothing more than an additional runner who telegraphs every pass he is going to make on 3rd and long.
I just hope Miles lets Cameron run the offense the way it started off last season and not input on anything. Jennings and Harris are the type of QB's that can be productive if used in the right kind of offense. That option bullshite he had Cameron put in for Jennings in the bowl game is not gon do it. It was the same shite he had Jefferson doing. When not passing the ball in a pro style offense these kids would be much more effective in a spread type offense doing the read option where they can really utilize their running ability.
Cameron should be the counterweight to Les Miles theory on how to run an offense and prevent that from happening.
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Posted on 2/6/14 at 1:41 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
It's a wall of text as you say because they're a lot of tards on here that don't get what you are sayin and you have to spell it out for them. Even still, they get defensive thinkin you are dumpin on Miles and stuff. The stupidty is amazin even for here.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 1:42 pm to Jim Rockford
gonna have to beat bama to prove that
Posted on 2/6/14 at 1:46 pm to RTRroundbowldownhole
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RTRroundbowldownhole
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gonna have to beat bama to prove that
This guys is TOTALLY not obsessed with Bama.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 1:47 pm to tubucoco
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It's a wall of text as you say because they're a lot of tards on here that don't get what you are sayin and you have to spell it out for them. Even still, they get defensive thinkin you are dumpin on Miles and stuff. The stupidty is amazin even for here.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 1:52 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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I am worried that now with the addition of Fournette we go back to 'ground and pound', one dimensional option attack with the QB being nothing more than an additional runner
Jennings is mobile QB capable of extending plays and not a running QB . LSU has gained more yds passing than running 7 times in the past 9 seasons.
2011 was a "ground and pound" yr. and it seemed to work out pretty well. We seem willing to throw the ball when we have a QB who can throw the ball w/o lots of bad things happening. Seems like a smart thing to do. imo
I think yours is the 1st post that used "worry" and "Fournette" in the same sentence.
BTW, doesn't Cam run the offense?
Posted on 2/6/14 at 1:56 pm to tubucoco
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I just hope Miles lets Cameron run the offense
Why wouldn't he? Cameron is an NFL caliber OC that Les completely trusts. Has anyone considered that Miles may have 'put parameters' on the O after the 2008 pic 6 season debacle for a very good reason. That Crowton couldn't develop a QB and it best to run a lot? Good Gawd.
This post was edited on 2/6/14 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 2/6/14 at 2:05 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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Why wouldn't he? Cameron is an NFL caliber OC that Les completely trusts. Has anyone considered that Miles may have 'put parameters' on the O after the 2008 pic 6 season debacle for a very good reason. That Crowton couldn't develop a QB and it best to run a lot? Good Gawd.
Don't you know? Our offense must look EXACTLY the same from game to game, regardless of opponent(win or lose) or else it's shite and Les has his hands all over it. But early in the year when we were slinging it around against shitty teams and looked awesome... That was all Cam.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 2:19 pm to lsu2006
This is why it's a waste of ones time. Stupid comments like this. Anyone that knows football or had watching LSU football in the past can see that starting with Florida the offense started to revert back to more of a ground and pound attack when there was no need to because it was fine. You can't tell me Miles didn't suggest it, but you will. Or the bowl game when Jennings started running the regular option that never worked with Jefferson. Where did that come from?? I guess Cameron couldn't wait to use that play.
This post was edited on 2/6/14 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 2/6/14 at 2:23 pm to tubucoco
So you wanted to sling the ball around in the bowl game with an untried QB when we had an NFL first rounder at tailback? Ground and pound was the wisest gameplan. We didn't have to put it on Jennings' shoulders, so we didn't. It wasn't flashy, but the game was never in doubt.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 2:23 pm to Topwater Trout
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Does TD still hurt recruiting?
It can hurt and help, but that's not the point. The point is the coaches were still able to bring in a stellar class even with a few guys going out of state. But obviously we have to stay at the top of the rankings to compete in the sec west and that will never be a problem with les and frank. People have been waiting for us to dip back to the 90s since Les was hired and it hasnt happened and wont ever happen under his watch.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 2:25 pm to tubucoco
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Anyone that knows football or had watching LSU football in the past can see that starting with Florida the offense started to revert back to more of a ground and pound attack when there was no need to because it was fine. You can't tell me Miles didn't suggest it, but you will. Or the bowl game when Jennings started running the regular option that never worked with Jefferson. Where did that come from?? I guess Cameron couldn't wait to use that play.
If we were able to run the ball against georgia we win. If we would have ran the ball against ole miss we wouldnt throw 3 ints. Im sorry but running the ball wins the sec. Of course we need a qb capable of getting us out of 3rd and long situations and im sure we have enough talent to find one that can.
This post was edited on 2/6/14 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 2/6/14 at 2:27 pm to tubucoco
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Anyone that knows football can see that starting with Florida the offense started to revert back to more of a ground and pound attack when there was no need to because it was fine.
God, how can someone be this narrow-minded? You know that teams typically adjust game plans based on the team they're playing right? Hey, we threw it 32453459 times against UGA and it worked so it must work against Florida, amirite!?
Even so, let's just ignore the fact that the games following Florida, Mett threw the ball 33 times (and lost), 24, 23, 20 and 22 times, respectively. I wish we would have gone to more "ground and pound" against Ole Miss, maybe we could have won.
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You can't tell me Miles didn't suggest it, but you will.
I'm sure he did suggest running more against the more stout defenses we were facing because he's... you know... not a dipshit like you.
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Or the bowl game when Jennings started running the regular option that never worked with Jefferson. Where did that come from??
It came from us tailoring a game plan for a more mobile QB. The option a few times a game isn't inherently a bad thing, and people that think this are small-minded idiots.
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I guess Cameron couldn't wait to use that play.
I'm glad he didn't and I hope we run occaisonal option with either Jennings or Harris to keep the opposing defenses honest.
We scored a touchdown on an option play against Iowa FWIW
This post was edited on 2/6/14 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 2/6/14 at 2:28 pm to Jim Rockford
Did I say I wanted Jennings to sling it around?? I used an example of Miles suggesting stuff to Cameron. I'm sure Cameron didn't have run the option on his menu. I'm simply pointing out Miles had input on the offense when people are sayin he did not. And that it was all Cameron.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 2:30 pm to lsu2006
Iowa is not an SEC defense assclown where speed counts. I would hope they would score on them running a very short option play. Let's see they had to throw against Ole Miss because I believe they were behind. lol But all that other junk you wrote is why I won't waste my time getting into a debate about this. It's complete bullshite!
This post was edited on 2/6/14 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 2/6/14 at 2:32 pm to tubucoco
What do you think he ran at indiana with antwan randle el? Miles is involved in the gameplan. He hasnt and doesnt call the plays unless it is a situational play like the fake fg. And i can understand when people get mad at that stuff especially when it doesnt work.
Your argument is just blinded by the fact les is not saban. Oh we ran the option so les is calling the plays? Really?
Your argument is just blinded by the fact les is not saban. Oh we ran the option so les is calling the plays? Really?
This post was edited on 2/6/14 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 2/6/14 at 2:34 pm to tubucoco
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Iowa not an SEC defense assclown.
Thanks for clearing that up for me.
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But all that other junk you wrote is why I won't waste my time getting into a debate about this. It's complete bullshite!
Translation: "I don't want to have an actual discussion but would prefer saying 'RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE MILES NEEDS TO LEAVE CAM ALONE RABBLE RABBLE' until I'm blue in the face, because I wasn't hugged enough as a child." It's cool. Carry on.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 2:35 pm to dgnx6
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What do you think he ran at indiana with antwan randle el?
Whoa whoa whoa, don't bombard him with so much information. It will give him a brain aneurysm.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 2:36 pm to lsu2006
No, I don't wanna waste my time with idiots. Carry on.
This post was edited on 2/6/14 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 2/6/14 at 2:37 pm to dgnx6
He ran more of a spread read type offense with Randle El I believe. Which was the correct way to use him.
This post was edited on 2/6/14 at 2:40 pm
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