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Abortion Question For Those In Favor...
Posted on 1/27/14 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 1/27/14 at 2:16 pm
It is indisputable that abortion is legal in the US. This is not a thread discussing legality in total.
If you support abortion rights, are there any limits as to when an abortion should not performed based on age of the fetus? If you believe there should be limitations (i.e., nothing after first trimester), what is your justification for that opinion?
Thanks
If you support abortion rights, are there any limits as to when an abortion should not performed based on age of the fetus? If you believe there should be limitations (i.e., nothing after first trimester), what is your justification for that opinion?
Thanks
Posted on 1/27/14 at 2:17 pm to DeltaDoc
I don't know, but I just need to watch the local news to reaffirm my position that we need more
Posted on 1/27/14 at 2:27 pm to DeltaDoc
Some kids should be aborted well into adulthood.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 2:48 pm to DeltaDoc
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If you believe there should be limitations (i.e., nothing after first trimester), what is your justification for that opinion?
Viability.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 2:57 pm to DeltaDoc
If a woman wants to have an abortion she should be forced to adopt a puppy.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 2:58 pm to DeltaDoc
I can understand a woman not knowing she is pregnant for the first month, maybe I can understand well into the second month. But by the time the breast fairy shows up around 8wks she probably has figured out she is pregnant. My question is, why would/should it take her another 3 months to decide to have the abortion?
I just think a woman would/should know whether or not she was going to have an abortion well before 20 weeks, unless of course a health issue of the mother or baby becomes apparent past that point.
I just think a woman would/should know whether or not she was going to have an abortion well before 20 weeks, unless of course a health issue of the mother or baby becomes apparent past that point.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 3:06 pm to DeltaDoc
I think a baby achieves self awareness at about 18 months. Until then it is just tissue. A mother should have 18 months after birth to decide if she wants to keep the baby.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 3:09 pm to DeltaDoc
This is one of the primary reasons why Roe v. Wade is such bullsh!t. Logically, it makes zero sense. Constitutionally, it's a complete freakin joke. It really is the worst example of result-oriented/politicized opinion writing ever to come out of the Court. And, it gave biased politicized judges carte blanche to just make up their own "Constitutional rights" to achieve their political objectives and ideology.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 4:04 pm to DeltaDoc
My personal opinion is viability. After that point, it, in theory, no longer needs the mother to survive.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 4:08 pm to DeltaDoc
I am 100% against the supreme court writing or re writing the laws.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 4:34 pm to DeltaDoc
22-24 week range...it's the point where you begin to reach 50% viability...and 5 months is more than enough time to decide.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 4:36 pm to DeltaDoc
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If you support abortion rights, are there any limits as to when an abortion should not performed based on age of the fetus?
"Fetus"? frick that, abortion until 18 years of age.
If a parent deems their child a failure and they want to start over, I say let 'em.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 4:57 pm to DeltaDoc
quote:The line should be drawn at the age of the youngest surviving fetus born.
If you support abortion rights, are there any limits as to when an abortion should not performed based on age of the fetus? If you believe there should be limitations (i.e., nothing after first trimester), what is your justification for that opinion?
Posted on 1/29/14 at 4:15 am to DeltaDoc
Planned Parenthood's position is Abortion on demand at any time. They have consistently fought bans on late term abortions.
A representative repeated this position and included that even in failed late term abortions, that is, when the baby is actually delivered alive, it is up to the mom to decide whether health care should be rendered to the infant.
The position for doing so was because "in rural areas it would put an undue strain to transport failed abortions to a hospital"
The argument is of course absurd, but that is what their rep in Florida said at a hearing.
The following are the arguments used for abortion on demand and the basis for the positions:
A woman should have the right to abort a child conceived by rape or incest.
The truth is the vast majority of abortions performed are NOT due to rape or incest,and
Since ALL state laws limiting abortion have rape and incest provisions this is a moot point to insist on Abortions on demand.
The argument: "that it is a woman's right to choose", is never exposed to the underlying principle because this position in principle and in fact is stating that an unborn child is nothing more than property or chattel to be disposed of as an owner of that property chooses.
The "drain on resources" argument furthers the principle of unborn children being property but also links that to property or chattel owned by the state: that unwanted children especially if they could be disabled is an unwanted financial burden. Again this view is based on the concept of an unborn, or unwanted child being property to be maintained, not a human life.
This "worth of the property" follows into the next position for pro abortionists.
For those who say until the infant is "viable",
that statement qualifies life that should be allowed life.
In specific terms, that is" Life Worthy of Life", and when that is the foundation for life every Life Worthy of Life must be qualified which puts all elderly and disabled children and adults needing to qualify that they are lives worthy of life.
A very slippery slope especially when a fed panel now will choose how best to use resources involving healthcare with the ACA.
A representative repeated this position and included that even in failed late term abortions, that is, when the baby is actually delivered alive, it is up to the mom to decide whether health care should be rendered to the infant.
The position for doing so was because "in rural areas it would put an undue strain to transport failed abortions to a hospital"
The argument is of course absurd, but that is what their rep in Florida said at a hearing.
The following are the arguments used for abortion on demand and the basis for the positions:
A woman should have the right to abort a child conceived by rape or incest.
The truth is the vast majority of abortions performed are NOT due to rape or incest,and
Since ALL state laws limiting abortion have rape and incest provisions this is a moot point to insist on Abortions on demand.
The argument: "that it is a woman's right to choose", is never exposed to the underlying principle because this position in principle and in fact is stating that an unborn child is nothing more than property or chattel to be disposed of as an owner of that property chooses.
The "drain on resources" argument furthers the principle of unborn children being property but also links that to property or chattel owned by the state: that unwanted children especially if they could be disabled is an unwanted financial burden. Again this view is based on the concept of an unborn, or unwanted child being property to be maintained, not a human life.
This "worth of the property" follows into the next position for pro abortionists.
For those who say until the infant is "viable",
that statement qualifies life that should be allowed life.
In specific terms, that is" Life Worthy of Life", and when that is the foundation for life every Life Worthy of Life must be qualified which puts all elderly and disabled children and adults needing to qualify that they are lives worthy of life.
A very slippery slope especially when a fed panel now will choose how best to use resources involving healthcare with the ACA.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 4:48 am to DeltaDoc
quote:
justification
Pro Abortion on Demand believe an unborn child is chattel or property of the woman, and as such can be either maintained or disposed of.
To say that an abortion should be limited to when the unborn is viable, which is an ability to live without healthcare support, qualifies life worthy of life and if not applied without distinction but to a population means those not able to live without medical support should be allowed to die as well.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 5:52 am to DeltaDoc
It would seem to me that this a non-issue. I agree that there should be a cut-off date, twenty weeks is a good date. If you don't want an abortion you don't have to get one. There are several issues that come up another being gay marriage my answer is who cares. I don't care and I don't see how anyone else would either. Let them do what they want to. This country has a lot of problems that need to be addressed and issues like these should be far down the list. I feel that we don't have the luxury to spend time worrying about things like this.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 6:32 am to DeltaDoc
I think the issue is that granting personhood to an unborn child is asking for all sorts of stupid legislation that would only further diminish the fundamental rights of the woman. Until the child is born it shouldn't have any rights or protection under the law, because any attempt to give that fetus rights would be a massive intrusion on the rights of the mother, whos legal status is not ambiguous. As an example, if a fetus is a person, then should mom be allowed to drink soda, eat shitty food, alcohol, cigs, drugs etc...? Can these things affect the baby negatively? If the mother is in possession of a person then shouldn't she be legally liable for negligence in the womb? I mean how much exercise and what type should a mom get without being negligent. What about doctors visits? Second hand smoke? What draconian police force or judicial system is gonna monitor this? Who determines at what point negligence starts? It would get ridiculous quickly.
I think that is the next logical progression when you give personhood to a fetus. To protect the rights of the fetus inside the mother whos legal status is debatable, would completely compromise the rights of the mother whos legal status is known.
All that being said, I would prefer we not abort children, im just not willing to give up basic guaranteed freedoms to save the life of a fetus.
ETA: the basic issue isn't about taking a life either. We takes assign value to, and take lives every single day in america and across the world. There is precedent for the concept of limited rights, even to the point where we say a person no longer has the right to life.
I think that is the next logical progression when you give personhood to a fetus. To protect the rights of the fetus inside the mother whos legal status is debatable, would completely compromise the rights of the mother whos legal status is known.
All that being said, I would prefer we not abort children, im just not willing to give up basic guaranteed freedoms to save the life of a fetus.
ETA: the basic issue isn't about taking a life either. We takes assign value to, and take lives every single day in america and across the world. There is precedent for the concept of limited rights, even to the point where we say a person no longer has the right to life.
This post was edited on 1/29/14 at 6:38 am
Posted on 1/29/14 at 10:02 am to DeltaDoc
quote:
If you support abortion rights, are there any limits as to when an abortion should not performed based on age of the fetus? If you believe there should be limitations (i.e., nothing after first trimester), what is your justification for that opinion?
I do support the woman's right to choose to have an abortion. I guess you can argue that any timeline is arbitrary if you look at all the factors. For me, once viability is reached (hell, we can argue over what is "viability", I guess) I can't support the choice to abort except, perhaps, in extreme circumstances. For me, I've focused a lot on sentience on the part of the fetus. At the embryo stage, it's not a difficult issue for me. But later, certainly after the first trimester, it gets really complicated. For all the criticism, Roe v. Wade probably does as well as can be expected in outlining legal rights for practical purposes (I'm not arguing, for now, the source of the right of privacy, etc).
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