re: Bill Simmons nailed it regarding the Brady/Manning argument

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That loud mouth needs to keep Wilt's name out of his mouth.

Jerry West is 1-9 in NBA Finals & is called Mr. Clutch.


Wilt's 'teams' won 2 Rings (carrying dreadful West to his only &1)

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Dont ever refer to Jerry West as dreadful

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West holds the NBA record for highest scoring average in a playoff series when he averaged 46.3 points in the six-game division finals series against Baltimore in 1965. During the 1965 playoffs, West averaged 40.6 points in 11 games.

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Of course with a nickname like Mr. Clutch, West elevated his game in the playoffs, averaging 29.1 points per game in 153 playoffs games. His average ranks 3rd on all time list behind Michael Jordan (33.4) and Allen Iverson (29.7)

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West is the only player in NBA history to win NBA Finals MVP from the losing team (1969 Finals)

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Career Playoff Stats: 29.1 PPG 5.6 RPG 6.3 APG
Finals Stats: 30.5 PPG* (only finals stats available)
Finals Appearances: 9
Championships: 1
Finals MVPs Won: 1 (1969)


Yes, nine appearances and only one win, but "Mr. Clutch" can't take all the blame. He had Elgin Baylor and Wilt Chamberlain for most of those losses, not to mention the dynasty in Boston. West made multiple clutch shots in the 1962 Finals vs. the Celtics, but was one-upped by Bill Russell and Sam Jones after each basket and the Lakers lost in 7. During the 1969 Finals, Lakers owner Jack Kent Cooke ordered balloons to be hung from the rafters before Game 7, giving Russell's old Celtics some much-needed motivation. The Lakers lost despite West's triple-double (42 points, 13 rebounds and 12 assists). The Logo became the only player to win Finals MVP in a losing effort.

In the 1970 Finals vs. New York, Jerry hit a 60-foot jumper that tied the game at 102-102 to send Game 3 in OT after Dave DeBusschere hit a J with three seconds left. The Lakers lost in 7.

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Here is what West did the year he was the Finals MVP, which is again the only time a player from the losing team has actually won that award:

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Finals stats: 37.9 PPG, 7.4 APG, 4.7 RPG

It was fitting that in the first year of the Finals MVP award's existence, its winner would make history. Despite his incredible performance, Jerry West was unable to guide his Lakers team past the Celtics in a classic seven game series. West's 37.9 points per game average was a record that stood until 1993, and he remains the only player from the losing team ever to win the award.

Game 7, in particular, demonstrated just how great The Logo was; he posted a triple-double of 42 points, 13 rebounds, and 12 assists, keeping his team in the game despite the fact that he was battling a hamstring pull and Wilt Chamberlain was inexplicably riding the bench late in the fourth quarter. The agonizing loss in the Finals was West's seventh, although he would finally get his elusive title three years later.

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Before West won a ring, here are his averages from the NBA Finals that the Lakers lost, (where box scores are available):

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1965 Finals: Lost in 5 games to the Celtics

Averaged 33.8 points a game, including 33 points in Game 5

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1966 Finals: Lost in 7 games to the Celtics

Averaged 33.9 PPG, (on 51.5% shooting), and 5.2 APG, including 36 points in Game 7

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1968 Finals: Lost in 6 games to the Celtics

Averaged 31.3 PPG, including 22 points in Game 6

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1969 Finals: Lost in 7 games to the Celtics

Averaged 37.9 PPG, 7.4 APG, 4.7 RPG, including 42 points in Game 7

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1970 Finals: Lost in 7 games to the Knicks

Averaged 31.3 PPG, including 28 points in Game 7

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So in those 5 NBA Finals that the Lakers lost, (covering 32 games), West "only" averaged 33.7 points a game.

In the 5 elimination games, he averaged 32.2 points.


But you are right. Jerry West was "dreadful" in the playoffs. How dare anyone call him Mr. Clutch

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That loud mouth needs to keep Wilt's name out of his mouth

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Wilt was a man whore who didn't care. Suck it.