re: Voter fraud: We got proof it's easy

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Photo ID can solve all these problems.

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No it can't. Most voter fraud happens after the votes are cast. There are also fake ID's. Duh.

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Liberals who oppose efforts to prevent voter fraud claim that there is no fraud - or at least not that involves voting at the polls.

But New York City's watchdog Department of Investigations had just provided the latest evidence of how easy it is to commit voter fraud that is almost undetectable. DOI undercover agents showed up at 63 polling places last fall and pretended to be voters who should have been turned away by election officials ; the agents assumed the names of individuals who had died or moved out of town, or who were sitting in jail. In 61 instances, or 97 percent of the time, the testers were allowed to vote. Those who did cast a vote wrote in “ John Test ” so as to not affect the outcome of any contest. DOI published its findings two weeks ago in a searing 70-page report accusing the city's Board of Elections of incompetence, waste, nepotism, and lax procedures.

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The obvious fallacy here is the presumption that simply because a crime is easy - people will do it. There's very little to personally gain from casting a ballot you aren't entitled to cast.

You could also dump a gallon of paint in a U.S. Post Office collection box if you wanted to be an a-hole - and probably get away with it - yet this doesn't seem to be a big problem - as there is little to gain from it.

Voter Id will be only a half solution. I dont like the photo ID part either.

Want to get serious about it, finger print.

Disney matches your finger print to your ticket. We can do that to your id.

The outcome of the 2000 presidential election would have been different if there were just 1,000 additional votes for Al Gore in Florida. And it was no surprise to anyone that the election was going to be decided in Florida and a few other toss up states. It would not have taken near the widespread conspiracy you suggest would be necessary to change the outcome.

Just because there is no evidence that any past presidential election outcome was determined by fraudulent votes doesn't mean it can't occur in future elections. Our presidential election is really more than 50 smaller elections to decide electors. They are much easier to fix than a single large election. Fixing a state or local election can be done with a higher degree of certainty with a smaller number of fraudulent votes.

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So if nobody can come up for a good reason why we shouldn't do it, then why shouldn't we just get it done?

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Becuase it's racist silly.

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Hahaha yeah are you suggesting that campaigns are above breaking the law?

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So their "campaigns" all go into polling booths and cast illegal ballots? Don't you think someone would notice that campaign headquarters was empty all day?

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The outcome of the 2000 presidential election would have been different if there were just 1,000 additional votes for Al Gore in Florida.

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That's why Florida likes to "accidentally" purge eligible voters from the rolls.

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Just because there is no evidence that any past presidential election outcome was determined by fraudulent votes doesn't mean it can't occur in future elections.

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Just because there is no evidence that aliens have taken over our brains and are making us vote for the opposite of what we really want, doesn't mean it can't occur in future elections. Stop elections now! Don't let the aliens control our government!

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Fixing a state or local election can be done with a higher degree of certainty with a smaller number of fraudulent votes.

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People who fix state elections do it by committing fraud AFTER votes are cast, not before. Do you honestly think it makes more sense to pay a 10,000 people a few bucks each to put their own freedom on the line and vote illegally - or to pay one guy a lot of money to break into the ballot box and stuff it, or rig the counting machine?

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There's no need to match at the poll. The finger print itself is evidence of the crime. If it shows up more than once in a single election, throw out both ballots

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True, but it would do nothing to deter ineligible voters, would it?

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There's no need to match at the poll.

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Yes there is. Your finger print is what generates your ballot.

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If it shows up more than once in a single election,

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No. If the finger print has already been used, a ballot will not be generated. All systems are linked.

As a safety net, all ballots are scanned back into the system in the booth.

1- Finger print to get ballot.

2- Enter booth and vote

3- insert ballot in to the proper slot

4- The ballot is scanned via the slot.

5- The second scan checks the complete system (nation wide) for the same finger print.

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Very few people are going to want to commit a crime where they gain nothing

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1- If the system detects a duplicate, both votes are thrown out and you have broken the law.

2- Law says you have your day in court. If you can not prove your innocence, you can no longer vote for 10 years and you spend time in jail.

This will not cure all illegal voting, but it would drastically cut it.

BUT HOW TO GET EVERYBODY IN THE SYSTEM

1- Simple. When they show up to vote. Same as Disney. Your finger print will be on record with your name. From then on you will be locked into that name.

2- If you are not on record in years to come, and you finally vote, the system will show that you are not registered and you simply scan your finger print and now you are registered.

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Voter fraud: We got proof it's easy

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Hardly surprising. When you don't require voter identification with a picture ID, how could you possibly prevent voter fraud?