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One mission of Universities is to prepare its Students for a career.
Isn't Athletics a career?






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Tom Bronco
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One mission of Universities is to prepare its Students for a career.
Isn't Athletics a career?

Yes, now name me any other career the University prepares a student for where you don't have to know how to read? The real thing that is becoming more clear to everyone is that in this day of big tv contracts, huge stadiums and money flowing like wine, football players are NOT STUDENTS! They are semi-pro athletes being paid a sub-standard wage. Who does this benefit? The University, coaches, athletic dept. employee's, tv networks, etc. As someone else noted, hypocrisy abounds. To me the more important statistic is not your graduation rate but how many of these athletes ever get a job based on their college degree. If we are graduating (somehow) athletes with less than 5th grade reading skills or even 8th grade reading skills, then how are they getting and keeping jobs related to their degree? Obviously they aren't which makes your graduation rate meaningless.






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vl100butch
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I would be willing to bet there are a couple with reading skills that normally wouldn't let them into college...

but let me ask a couple of questions:

what does simply having a parent exposed to college do?

seems to me having a parent who had some college would want their kids to go...

what about the next generation?

it'd be very interesting to do a survey to see...







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The real thing that is becoming more clear to everyone is that in this day of big tv contracts, huge stadiums and money flowing like wine, football players are NOT STUDENTS! They are semi-pro athletes being paid a sub-standard wage. Who does this benefit? The University, coaches, athletic dept. employee's, tv networks, etc.


The "student-athelete" benefits too.

Ask yourself this...would any of these functionally illiterate college guys be any better off as functionally illiterate high school drop outs? A 10th grader who reads at a 5th grade level has zero incentive to finish HS. The chance at playing D1 ball gives them that incentive.

I just don't buy this exploitation argument. If you can play ball, you can go to Canada or try your luck as a UFA after 3 years.

No need to go to a major university that will put you on national TV and give you exposure to NFL scouts if you feel like they're taking advantage of you.






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Have college requirement, otherwise we would have just another bunch of unpaid people playing football.
I Suppose we could have the NCAA football program and a National Athletic Association program. Maybe the NAA program could start up after the NC game in January. We could watch football year round.






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football players are NOT STUDENTS!


You're throwing out the baby with the bath water. I'm sure there are a few Eddie Lacy's, but there are also some football players and athletes who are smarter than you, Tom Bronco. Peter Dyakoski and Ronald Dupree are both very smart guys that I took classes with.

As for incoming guys, Brandon Harris and Jamal Adams both seem pretty intelligent. That's just scratching the surface.






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LINK

Check out this article / video about Kenny Hillard and his reading level before getting help.



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ZereauxSum
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I Suppose we could have the NCAA football program and a National Athletic Association program. Maybe the NAA program could start up after the NC game in January. We could watch football year round.


I'm not so sure how if would feel knowing that, say, Kwon Alexander was risking injury and not participating in team activities to play spring/summer ball for the Baton Rouge [insert generic semi-pro team name here]

Probably just a matter of time before guys' scholarships become contingent on not playing in such leagues.



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The university said it does not keep lists of individual ACT scores in the format of a record.

Unless it has changed since the mid 2000s, when I was a student, ACT scores of athletes are listed in record format on their psych evaluations.

I spent a semester converting paper records to electronic records and was amazed that some of the football players could function after seeing their test scores.






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No.

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The system is massively flawed. Why do you have to go to college for Three years in order to play football? I get the point that the athletes get an education as well the ability to hone their football skills but what if the player is not academically gifted. Look at it the other way. It's like saying if you want to be an academic, you have to play sport for 3 years in order to qualify. It puts unnecessary strain on high school kids who need certain grade to pass the academic requirements which in turn could lead to cheating and other academic problems.

There really should be an alternative method for guys to legitimately be able to play football prior to the NFL. A different, non school related league, perhaps?






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Look at all the 6'3 guys who can run a 4.4 forty that are broke and they have made millions over the years. It would probably have helped if they had a good education to rely on after sports. Or just not trust your family with your money.....





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Check out this article / video about Kenny Hillard


wow. not the Kenny part, I knew about that. but his teammate has a mom who has a master's but the kid couldn't read? I get that he's probably saying he couldn't read at grade level as opposed to not being able to read at all, but damn.






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epbart
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vl100butch


Good point. Being surrounded with people who value education and come from varied cultures with different value systems can be an enriching experience in and of itself. Whether a player with a less than privileged background grows up to move to another big city... or returns to his childhood neighborhood at some point-- if he's open minded-- the experiences can still be valuable in shaping his outlook and how he participates in society. Like you, I suspect that players who have such opportunities are more likely to give their children a little more positive guidance to take full advantage of similar opportunities if they can. That would be an interesting study.

When I posted the graduation rates bit on the first page, I put the qualifier out that the value of such statistics was questionable. I knew someone (Tom Bronco) would summarily try to say it is "meaningless", when it's not.

The higher than average graduation rates don't mean everything is great and LSU's athletes are all academic all-americans. Like any other segment of the student population there will be a curve:

1) Student athletes who are genuinely smart and take every advantage to become educated and will apply their education.
2) Student athletes who are ok students, who won't be innovators or leaders in their field, but who will still benefit by having a degree and be qualified for a wider range of jobs and be able to better provide for their family.
3) Middle ground
4) Those who make it through but don't make any use at all of a degree... but who still might urge their own kids to do better someday.
5) Those who flunk out, get suspended, kicked off the team and out of school, etc.

How is this unlike any other segment of the student population? There are plenty of stupid privileged kids who graduate and will never use their degrees meaningfully either.

LSU has one of the best graduation rates in the SEC, and while that doesn't mean the players are all good students, it means the university must be making some effort to keep the students engaged and improving their prospects-- at least a little-- for whatever comes after college.

Even looking at what I described as the bottom tier-- those who get in trouble and don't make it for whatever reason, there is better opportunity. Just look at Tyrann Matheiu. He had issues and didn't make it, but met some great people who helped him. I think Tyrann gave credit to Coach Miles and a couple of other people who tried to mentor him; but he also became friends with Patrick Peterson, who has been a great ambassador for LSU. And Peterson took him under his wing, helped him straighten his life out, and look at him now. I know some on here are still haters, but I will point blank say Tyrann's life at this moment is better for having gone to LSU (and LSU benefited from him as well). I'm not arguing what might have been if he went to another school... he probably still would've had football success, he might not have. I doubt he would've gotten the Heisman-type exposure almost anywhere else; he was a dynamic player who was used perfectly here... on what was arguably the best defense in the country. But beyond that, once he got in trouble, it was the people who he met-- at LSU-- that cared about him enough to help him take take the next step. I think it's less likely he would've bounced back had he gone elsewhere.

Reading level and graduation rate stats tell a piece of a story. I'm not going to spin them into something they aren't. I do think athletes on the whole do gain valuable experiences in college, and some use these experiences to enrich their lives. And if the usefulness of graduation rates is questionable, it is still better to be at the top of that list than it is at the bottom. It is good for the school and it is appealing to the prospective student athletes and parents. It is not meaningless.






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I really don't care if a college football player is bright or not. Do we really want to see a bunch of geeks playing football with a cumulative 3.5 GPA or do you want to watch an entertaining football game?

IMO, as long as the players are attending classes, behaving, and making all Fs on their report card, they are doing enough to play football.

Should universities not accept a RB that weighs 230 and runs a 4.4 forty just because he isn't smart enough to pass a college Physics course? I'm not watching football for a teams GPA.



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According to LSU, the average ACT English score for football players admitted:

-- in 2007: 18.6
-- in 2008: 17.0
-- in 2009: 18.2
-- in 2010: 18.3
-- in 2011: 20.1
-- in 2012: 18.4


Eh, could be worse






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All you have to do is listen to these dudes talk and it becomes obvious they can't read.
Cant even speak in complete fricking sentences.

South's recruiting pool isn't Stanford's.
Is what it is.






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vl100butch
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back in the day when LSU had to offer English 1A (Remedial English)...what was the cutoff on the ACT? I honestly don't remember...





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back in the day when LSU had to offer English 1A (Remedial English)...what was the cutoff on the ACT? I honestly don't remember.

My mom said back in the day if you graduated high school you got into LSU






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