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People are born Gay, but are trained to be Feminine or Masculine?
Posted on 1/10/14 at 10:25 am
Posted on 1/10/14 at 10:25 am
Is it possible that people are also born feminine and born masculine?
common belief is that you were trained as a child to like boy things or like girl things....But I don't get how "feminine Gays" came about then. Most would probably say that their Dad tried to get them to play football, but all they wanted to do was play with dolls, jump rope and hop-scotch.
Is it possible that gender identity is a "born that way" dynamic as much as wanting a same-sex partner is a born that way dynamic?
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“Gender is the social and cultural construction of femininity, masculinity, and anything in between as opposed to the biological sex (male/female/a combination thereof). In the U.S., people are generally socialized to be ‘feminine’ or ‘masculine’ based on the cultural norms and assumptions of society. These assumptions of gender difference are often so embedded into our cultural systems, beliefs, and behaviors that they appear ‘natural’, and thus we tend to take them for granted”
common belief is that you were trained as a child to like boy things or like girl things....But I don't get how "feminine Gays" came about then. Most would probably say that their Dad tried to get them to play football, but all they wanted to do was play with dolls, jump rope and hop-scotch.
Is it possible that gender identity is a "born that way" dynamic as much as wanting a same-sex partner is a born that way dynamic?
Posted on 1/10/14 at 10:27 am to Iona Fan Man
I don't think you're "born gay" but at the same time I do think that you're taught to be feminine or masculine from an early age. I have a gay cousin who swears he's always known he's gay from a very early age.
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Posted on 1/10/14 at 10:31 am to Iona Fan Man
Wouldn't the amount of testosterone have an effect?
Posted on 1/10/14 at 10:32 am to Iona Fan Man
I believe people are born masculine or feminine, but society and culture help define what those are.
In other words, a mixture of nature/nurture.
In other words, a mixture of nature/nurture.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 10:44 am to Iona Fan Man
I prefer my beer cold, toilet paper warm, and my homosexuals flaaaaming!---Homer Simpson
Posted on 1/10/14 at 10:57 am to Iona Fan Man
Gay friend of mine didn't start acting more gay until after he came out to everyone. Que the higher pitched voice, swapping truck for beetle, etc.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 11:03 am to Iona Fan Man
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People are born Gay
no
Posted on 1/10/14 at 11:06 am to Iona Fan Man
This is an interesting topic. I know two guys that are gay. Both of these guys admit to having been molested my a male when they were younger.
So... did the Male molester just happen to pick the two male children that were "born gay" or did the first sexual exposure make them choose that lifestyle?
Also, my wife has a lifelong friend that came out late in life as a lesbian. Same scenario, molested by a woman. What drove what?
For the record, I know other gay guys but just haven't spoken with them about it.
So... did the Male molester just happen to pick the two male children that were "born gay" or did the first sexual exposure make them choose that lifestyle?
Also, my wife has a lifelong friend that came out late in life as a lesbian. Same scenario, molested by a woman. What drove what?
For the record, I know other gay guys but just haven't spoken with them about it.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 11:11 am to Iona Fan Man
I really think people are born with a genetic tendency to be gay or straight.
I've said this before. I've seen 5 year old boys that you just KNEW would be gay. At 5, they would hang w/the girls at recess, and play jacks instead of getting involved w/the kickball/football game.
They were way too young to be thinking about sex, or orientation, but you knew they'd turn out gay. That's gotta be a genetic predisposition.
Funny/CSB.......
I was at a youth football game watching a client of mine's son play. He was the team's lil QB. This was full pads, kids were probably 7.
Another kid that was dressed out to play was hanging out with the team's lil cheerleading squad, waving shakers/pom poms, dancing around, whatever.
My friend/client looks at me and says "man, would you do me a favor? if you're ever at my son's game, and I'm not here, and he's got a shaker/pom pom in his hand, please beat his arse, unless he's trying to stick the thing IN one of the cheerleaders".
I did lol.
I've said this before. I've seen 5 year old boys that you just KNEW would be gay. At 5, they would hang w/the girls at recess, and play jacks instead of getting involved w/the kickball/football game.
They were way too young to be thinking about sex, or orientation, but you knew they'd turn out gay. That's gotta be a genetic predisposition.
Funny/CSB.......
I was at a youth football game watching a client of mine's son play. He was the team's lil QB. This was full pads, kids were probably 7.
Another kid that was dressed out to play was hanging out with the team's lil cheerleading squad, waving shakers/pom poms, dancing around, whatever.
My friend/client looks at me and says "man, would you do me a favor? if you're ever at my son's game, and I'm not here, and he's got a shaker/pom pom in his hand, please beat his arse, unless he's trying to stick the thing IN one of the cheerleaders".
I did lol.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 11:12 am to Iona Fan Man
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Is it possible that gender identity is a "born that way" dynamic as much as wanting a same-sex partner is a born that way dynamic?
It's certainly possible but I wouldn't rule out the possibility that there's some refinement done while growing up in a given society. Not so much nature vs. nurture as it is nature & nurture.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 11:36 am to Iona Fan Man
Sociology is a load of crap
Posted on 1/10/14 at 1:32 pm to Iona Fan Man
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People are born Gay, but are trained to be Feminine or Masculine
Only in gay recruiting propaganda.
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Posted on 1/10/14 at 2:08 pm to Iona Fan Man
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People are born Gay
No they aren't. Sexuality doesn't begin until early puberty. Babies are not sexual.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 2:31 pm to Iona Fan Man
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"feminine Gays"
It seems like much of the effeminacy is affected, to me. Whenever I've interacted with a really flamboyant gay guy, I've usually thought, "This feels like a put-on, and I can't take it seriously." But maybe that's just the kind of culture they like so they are embracing it with a lot of energy. I've also met a lot of heterosexual guys over the years that have a macho persona that I feel is contrived.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 2:41 pm to Iona Fan Man
If we treat humans as animals, animals primary goals in existence are to survive and reproduce. To say someone is born gay is contrary to the most basic principals of biology.
Sexuality is a social construct. Human sexuality has changed drastically over recorded human history.
I don't care if you want to be gay. I do care if you use bad science to try to justify it as though you have no choice.
Sexuality is a social construct. Human sexuality has changed drastically over recorded human history.
I don't care if you want to be gay. I do care if you use bad science to try to justify it as though you have no choice.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 3:14 pm to Iona Fan Man
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People are born Gay
nope
Posted on 1/10/14 at 3:24 pm to Iona Fan Man
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People are born Gay, but are trained to be Feminine or Masculine?
I don't think so... and here is why.
1. My son was born just over 12 years ago. About the same time he also had a male cousin and female cousin born. These three kids were around each other virtually daily (the same aunt kept them during the day). While all three played well with one another we noted that the girl naturally gravitated to "girly" toys like baby dolls and stuffed animals. My son and his male cousin however showed no interest in her toys and instead played with "boy" toys like trucks and things. These toys were all kept together in a toy box at the aunts house and their aunt left them free to choose whatever toys they wanted.
2. My daughter is 5 yrs old. She has grown up in a house full of boy toys (my son's). She has shown zero interest in them and instead gravitates to "girly" things. In fact if I had to characterize her, she is far more the girly princess type than anything.
Now I'm sure you can steer a kid any which way you want. In fact I'm about to introduce my daughter to tee-ball this spring. But I think unless you really just guide them one way with a heavy hand, the vast majority will, of their own will, gravitate to their natural gender.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 4:45 pm to Iona Fan Man
Wrong. Boys are boys and they are just wired differently than girls.
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