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re: Time to start Coleman over Martin?
Posted on 12/19/13 at 10:07 am to bbap
Posted on 12/19/13 at 10:07 am to bbap
I think it's better for Coleman to come off the bench. Coleman probably plays the same number of minutes or more than Martin anyway. Let Martin get much needed experience with the starters, and Coleman provide scoring & offensive/defensive effectiveness off the bench. Also, I prefer Martin at the wing. Mickey is a PF (not a wing). He can slide over to PF at times, but I think his game is on the wing where he can shoot mid-range jumpers & drive to the basket. It'll just take time for him to adjust to the college game (he's used to playing against a much lower level of competition).
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Posted on 12/19/13 at 12:13 pm to bbap
To the OP: I was coming on here to start the same thread, but the Rant convinced me maybe it is better for Coleman to come off the bench.
I'd better write down the date and time of this post, because it is the first time the Rant had a reasonable discussion with logic behind it to change my opinion.
Either way, Coleman needs some recognition for playing great lately.
I'd better write down the date and time of this post, because it is the first time the Rant had a reasonable discussion with logic behind it to change my opinion.
Either way, Coleman needs some recognition for playing great lately.
Posted on 12/19/13 at 12:15 pm to TIGERSby10
yeah i understand the opposite point. and im not gungho 100% coleman has to be starting like i was with hickey/quarterman.
i still think it would help martin to come off the bench and get more time at the 4.
i still think it would help martin to come off the bench and get more time at the 4.
Posted on 12/19/13 at 12:53 pm to bbap
. Watching Coleman 's high school film, he handled the ball, shot the 3, played down low because he had to with his height and ability and did everthing else.. JJ is lucky to have a player so unselfish.His chance is at SG in the NBA, Europe , etc. yeah i know many people gonna say noway but Coleman's not that far off from a pro SG with some practice and focus on the position, but its not gonna happen, because Hickey and Stringer got the chemistry going for now.
Posted on 12/19/13 at 2:27 pm to bbap
It's really amazing how quickly people are giving up on Martin. Quite humorous actually. Shavon is better coming off the bench.
Martin is the key to this season, whether people like it or not. Martin needs minutes and needs to continue to grow. Also, for those saying "He's playing out of position"...no he's not. Even when he plays at the 4, he gets the ball and squares up to the goal. He's not a post up, back to the basket guy. He has a good outside shot and is explosive at the rim, he just needs time to adjust to the game. The talent is there, he's just searching to find his game right now.
He's not shooting 15 times and making 2...He was 1 for 3 last night, if anything he's just too passive right now.
Martin is the key to this season, whether people like it or not. Martin needs minutes and needs to continue to grow. Also, for those saying "He's playing out of position"...no he's not. Even when he plays at the 4, he gets the ball and squares up to the goal. He's not a post up, back to the basket guy. He has a good outside shot and is explosive at the rim, he just needs time to adjust to the game. The talent is there, he's just searching to find his game right now.
He's not shooting 15 times and making 2...He was 1 for 3 last night, if anything he's just too passive right now.
Posted on 12/19/13 at 2:46 pm to LSUButt
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It's really amazing how quickly people are giving up on Martin. Quite humorous actually. Shavon is better coming off the bench.
no one in this thread has said anything about giving up on martin. not sure where that leap in logic came from.
Posted on 12/19/13 at 3:00 pm to bbap
After every basketball game, and then the following day, there is at least one thread talking about Martin underachieving. There have been more threads started solely about Martin than the rest of the players combined.
Posted on 12/19/13 at 3:14 pm to LSUButt
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After every basketball game, and then the following day, there is at least one thread talking about Martin underachieving. There have been more threads started solely about Martin than the rest of the players combined.
He was the highest rated recruit of the 2013 class. A consensus top-15 player and McDonalds AA. The attention, good and bad, comes with the territory.
Posted on 12/19/13 at 3:18 pm to LSUButt
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After every basketball game, and then the following day, there is at least one thread talking about Martin underachieving. There have been more threads started solely about Martin than the rest of the players combined.
threads about him underachieving = people giving up on him?
Posted on 12/19/13 at 3:26 pm to bbap
Martin was our most heralded recruit, therefore his expectations were the highest.
I really think the ankle injury took away some very valuable experience that this kid needed.
While the ankle is getting better, now his conditioning needs improvement. Also, he's clearly a little lost out there and seems to be lacking a little confidence.
Again, every player adjusts at different level. Had the injury not happened, I think you'd see a different JM.
I think his star will still shine bright before the end of the season, if he stays healthy. Once SEC time rolls around, JM should start to shine.
Same with TQ, but probably to a lesser degree.
And believe it or not, Mickey as well. Mickey will only keep getting better as he learns. Once the game slows down a little, he should be a monster.
I really think the ankle injury took away some very valuable experience that this kid needed.
While the ankle is getting better, now his conditioning needs improvement. Also, he's clearly a little lost out there and seems to be lacking a little confidence.
Again, every player adjusts at different level. Had the injury not happened, I think you'd see a different JM.
I think his star will still shine bright before the end of the season, if he stays healthy. Once SEC time rolls around, JM should start to shine.
Same with TQ, but probably to a lesser degree.
And believe it or not, Mickey as well. Mickey will only keep getting better as he learns. Once the game slows down a little, he should be a monster.
Posted on 12/19/13 at 3:31 pm to ROUSTER
i agree with just about all of that. coming off the bench might even be good for jarrell. like i've stated more minutes at the 4. and coleman has just really been playing well. he deserves to be with the 1's. i mean the kid is shooting 42% from behind the arc.
Posted on 12/19/13 at 3:53 pm to bbap
Coleman's outside shooting has looked great. And I agree, bringing Martin off the bench might be good. He would be more of a #1 option then.
Hickey's outside shooting has looked good as well. Hard to believe Hickey's stroke from 3 can look so good and his FT shooting can look so bad.
Also, JOB sure has struggled of late. Although he had a few really sweet moves last night, but he wasn't very aggressive rebounding at all and sure got a little lazy at times. Although I'm not worried about JOB, come SEC time he will produce.
Odo also gave us some good minutes last night. Nothing spectacular, but much needed.
If this team ever really starts to click, they will be hard to deal with for most teams.
Hickey's outside shooting has looked good as well. Hard to believe Hickey's stroke from 3 can look so good and his FT shooting can look so bad.
Also, JOB sure has struggled of late. Although he had a few really sweet moves last night, but he wasn't very aggressive rebounding at all and sure got a little lazy at times. Although I'm not worried about JOB, come SEC time he will produce.
Odo also gave us some good minutes last night. Nothing spectacular, but much needed.
If this team ever really starts to click, they will be hard to deal with for most teams.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 7:00 am to LSUButt
quote:I just saw a video interview of Martin on the NOLA page. LINK He admits he is not comfortable at the "4" and is not used to playing with his back to the basket and has no inside moves. So this should put to rest all those "experts" who say he is playing out of position at the 3 position. He is a small forward in skills but not size.
Even when he plays at the 4, he gets the ball and squares up to the goal. He's not a post up, back to the basket guy. He has a good outside shot and is explosive at the rim, he just needs time to adjust to the game. The talent is there, he's just searching to find his game right now.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 7:08 am to Tom Bronco
If he's not comfortable at the 4 then he basically doesn't have a position right now. Because he's obviously not comfortable at the 3.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 7:25 am to ROUSTER
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Coleman's outside shooting has looked great. And I agree, bringing Martin off the bench might be good. He would be more of a #1 option then.
LOL. What fantasy world are you living in. Martin hasn't grown into a role as a consistent scorer yet, although I imagine he'll be prolific when it's all said and done. Your argument is more apropos for Coleman who currently is a go to scoring option once he's off the bench. Coleman is still out of control a fair amount when he's driving. He's more likely to turn it over or drive over the baseline and make a pass while jumping out of bounds than score or make a good pass, but his catch and shoot game is better than last year. The best guys on a given night will get their minutes. Who cares who starts? I agree people are too negative about Martin. He's playing a key role on the team currently as a 3-4 option scoring. Let him get comfortable at this level and the team will be much better for it come feb-mar. He deserves meaningful minutes every night bc his ceiling is so high.
This post was edited on 12/20/13 at 7:34 am
Posted on 12/20/13 at 7:26 am to JR Hamilsbach
what part of that post do you consider fantasy?
Posted on 12/20/13 at 7:26 am to bbap
While I agree something needs to be done to both reward coleman and jumpstart martin, I really like coleman coming off the bench and being a spark of energy. He's really exceling in that role.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 7:27 am to ProjectP2294
yeah im fine either way. i'd personally start coleman but its not that big of a deal to keep Martin in the starting lineup. It's not like when Quarterman was starting and everyone had no idea why.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 7:31 am to JR Hamilsbach
Really, I'm hoping you stopped short of answering because reality struck you.
What part of that is fantasy?
What part of that is fantasy?
Posted on 12/20/13 at 7:36 am to ROUSTER
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Really, I'm hoping you stopped short of answering because reality struck you.
What part of that is fantasy?
On my phone and had some technical difficulties there. My edited post is now up. Thanks for riling me up with that post. I'm now officially up and at em and ready to kick Friday's butt. Geaux Tigers!
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