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re: OB Gun ninjas, help me buy an AR please.
Posted on 11/4/13 at 9:56 am to Carson123987
Posted on 11/4/13 at 9:56 am to Carson123987
Is Spike Tactical worth a frick? I found a complete upper for $530. Says it's a milspec BCG and 1:7 barrel.
Posted on 11/4/13 at 11:15 am to GeauxxxTigers23
That should work fine.
Things to look for in a BCG:
- bolt is 9310 or Carpenter 158 Steel
- carrier is 8620
- gas key screws are properly staked. the purpose of staking is so the screws don't walk themselves out.
so if it looks like it will hold the screws from walking, it is
an OK stake job.
- MPI and HPT tested. some are done individually some are done in batches. This tests for imperfections in the steel that could cause the bolt to fracture or fail.
Things to look for in a barrel:
- AR-15 barrels come in a variety of twist rates, which serve different purposes. You choose your twist based on what bullets you will be shooting.
- Popular AR15 Twist and Max Bullet Weight: 1/9 up to 73gr BT, 1/8 up to 80gr BT and lastly 1/7 up to 90gr VLDs.
- 1/7 twist is 'En Vogue' in the AR community because that is what the military uses.
- Most of the 'cheap' factory ammo and milsurp ammo falls in the under 73gr category.
- Barrel should be chrome lined or melonited/nitrided. This prevents corrosion and the hardness adds longevity to the barrel.
- Chrome lining is a lining and therefore cannot be applied perfectly uniform inside the barrel. This is believed to mean that an unlined barrel is inherently more accurate than a lined barrel.
- Nitriding is a treatment to the surface of the metal and does not alter the inside of the bore like chrome lining does.
- Nitriding is also believed to be considerably harder than chrome and therefore last longer before being 'shot out'.
- Some barrels are HPT and MPI tested, just like the bolts mentioned earlier.
- get a mid length gas system unless getting a barrel that is shorter than 14.5 or is longer than 19.9".
If you buy from a quality manufacturer/distributor you will get a quality product. The important thing is you just get a rifle and get shooting.
Spike's, BCM, Windham Weaponry, Palmetto State Armory, Rock River Arms and Smith and Wesson all make rifles in your price range.
You want a good deal? Get THIS and THIS Then buy an upper from any of the companies mentioned above and you'll be good to go for $750ish. Use the remaining money to buy accessories or add a sight.
Things to look for in a BCG:
- bolt is 9310 or Carpenter 158 Steel
- carrier is 8620
- gas key screws are properly staked. the purpose of staking is so the screws don't walk themselves out.
so if it looks like it will hold the screws from walking, it is
an OK stake job.
- MPI and HPT tested. some are done individually some are done in batches. This tests for imperfections in the steel that could cause the bolt to fracture or fail.
Things to look for in a barrel:
- AR-15 barrels come in a variety of twist rates, which serve different purposes. You choose your twist based on what bullets you will be shooting.
- Popular AR15 Twist and Max Bullet Weight: 1/9 up to 73gr BT, 1/8 up to 80gr BT and lastly 1/7 up to 90gr VLDs.
- 1/7 twist is 'En Vogue' in the AR community because that is what the military uses.
- Most of the 'cheap' factory ammo and milsurp ammo falls in the under 73gr category.
- Barrel should be chrome lined or melonited/nitrided. This prevents corrosion and the hardness adds longevity to the barrel.
- Chrome lining is a lining and therefore cannot be applied perfectly uniform inside the barrel. This is believed to mean that an unlined barrel is inherently more accurate than a lined barrel.
- Nitriding is a treatment to the surface of the metal and does not alter the inside of the bore like chrome lining does.
- Nitriding is also believed to be considerably harder than chrome and therefore last longer before being 'shot out'.
- Some barrels are HPT and MPI tested, just like the bolts mentioned earlier.
- get a mid length gas system unless getting a barrel that is shorter than 14.5 or is longer than 19.9".
If you buy from a quality manufacturer/distributor you will get a quality product. The important thing is you just get a rifle and get shooting.
Spike's, BCM, Windham Weaponry, Palmetto State Armory, Rock River Arms and Smith and Wesson all make rifles in your price range.
You want a good deal? Get THIS and THIS Then buy an upper from any of the companies mentioned above and you'll be good to go for $750ish. Use the remaining money to buy accessories or add a sight.
Posted on 11/4/13 at 11:34 am to Propagandalf
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Propagandalf
Good collection of info!
quote:
- Most of the 'cheap' factory ammo and milsurp ammo falls in the under 73gr category.
The vast majority of ammo you will find will either be 55gr or 62gr.
quote:
- Chrome lining is a lining and therefore cannot be applied perfectly uniform inside the barrel. This is believed to mean that an unlined barrel is inherently more accurate than a lined barrel.
This is the word on the street. Then again, my 20" DPMS will shoot 1/2MOA with ease and it has chrome lining.
quote:
Spike's, BCM, Windham Weaponry, Palmetto State Armory, Rock River Arms and Smith and Wesson all make rifles in your price range.
+1
Some good advice from this guy.
Posted on 11/4/13 at 11:50 am to bapple
How hard would it be to change out these handguards?
Posted on 11/4/13 at 11:53 am to GeauxxxTigers23
They just drop in. Slide the back ring backwards and it'll come off in two pieces
Posted on 11/4/13 at 11:55 am to CP3
Gotcha. So there just like regular handguards.
Posted on 11/4/13 at 12:12 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Well, I just pulled the trigger on this guy.
Spike's Tactical 11.5", 1:7 Twist, Mil-spec Barrel
Also bought the lower and lower parts kit that Propagadalf suggested.
Total cost of 785 after shipping.
Spike's Tactical 11.5", 1:7 Twist, Mil-spec Barrel
Also bought the lower and lower parts kit that Propagadalf suggested.
Total cost of 785 after shipping.
This post was edited on 11/4/13 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 11/4/13 at 12:25 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
How difficult is it to get a SBR permit and how much does it cost?
Posted on 11/4/13 at 12:44 pm to doubletap
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How difficult is it to get a SBR permit and how much does it cost?
It's not "difficult" to get, but it is a very involved process, and the cost is $200 (and every time the weapon is transferred after, there is a lot of paperwork and a $200 tax).
I don't vouch for how up to date or accurate all of this is, but these guys do seem to know what they're talking about - if you are considering building one from parts. It also discusses the differences betweeen "Form 1" (making the weapon) and "Form 4" (transferring the weapon):
LINK
This post was edited on 11/4/13 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 11/4/13 at 12:47 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Right now is probably the worst time to apply for NFA items.
Just build it out as a pistol and get the Sig 'pistol brace'
Just build it out as a pistol and get the Sig 'pistol brace'
Posted on 11/4/13 at 12:47 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Id recommend getting a pistol lower before you get a lower with a stock
Actually get what's posted above and let me know how good it works
Actually get what's posted above and let me know how good it works
This post was edited on 11/4/13 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 11/4/13 at 12:52 pm to CP3
shite man. Now I'm convinced we need stricter oversight laws. J/K. frick ME. I registered on gunbroker and bought this thing in under 5 min.
So correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't get in any trouble for just having an 11.5" barrel?
So correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't get in any trouble for just having an 11.5" barrel?
Posted on 11/4/13 at 12:57 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:
So correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't get in any trouble for just having an 11.5" barrel?
Having just the upper is not a problem.... If you have a unregistered lower in possession with it, even if it isn't put together you can get in trouble.
Posted on 11/4/13 at 1:00 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
It's not illegal to possess the upper with the 11.5" barrel. An upper is not a firearm. Here's some stuff to get you started on your journey.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short-barreled_rifle
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/national-firearms-act-short-barreled-rifles-shotguns.html
https://forum.pafoa.org/nfa-class-3-title-ii-34/20540-sbrd-ar15-brief-guide-my-experience.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short-barreled_rifle
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/national-firearms-act-short-barreled-rifles-shotguns.html
https://forum.pafoa.org/nfa-class-3-title-ii-34/20540-sbrd-ar15-brief-guide-my-experience.html
Posted on 11/4/13 at 1:01 pm to Propagandalf
I've emailed this guy and left him a voicemail. What are the odds I can cancel this purchase?
Posted on 11/4/13 at 1:02 pm to Glock17
quote:
If you have a unregistered lower in possession with it, even if it isn't put together you can get in trouble.
If it is an unregistered rifle lower. If he has a stripped lower or a pistol, he is fine on possession (or assembly, if pistol).
However, it is dicey when you start have to make those distinctions. For example, I can argue that I have 12 different SBR uppers for 1 (registered) lower SBR receiver - but I have 11 rifle lowers...
I would hate to have to go to court with those facts, but it would definitely be arguable.
Posted on 11/4/13 at 1:04 pm to Glock17
quote:
If you have a unregistered lower in possession with it, even if it isn't put together you can get in trouble.
This can't be true. An AR15 pistol is a short barrel upper on an "unregistered" lower. That would mean that everyone with an AR pistol is committing a felony?
Posted on 11/4/13 at 1:06 pm to Glock17
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the lower is what's registered with the ATF. If it's registered as a rifle, it must have a 16" barrel or a SBR permit. If the lower is registered as a pistol, it can have a shorter barrel, but can't have a stock (other than the buffer tube).
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