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kaleidoscope tiger
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Right... tell that to Obama... his policies including Obamacare are screwing jobs and the economy.


That has nothing to do with my points. I'm not a fan of Obama. I am just capable of pointing out parts of Obamacare that aren't bad.






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kaleidoscope tiger
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Meh, we went back and forth, and got sidetracked. i hear what you are saying, and IMO, this bill is much better than Obamacare.


I still think those 2 parts of Obamcare aren't bad.

we can agree to disagree.






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BBONDS25
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So do you support Lochner? Do you think that was a good decision?


the labor law case?






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son of arlo
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I am just capable of pointing out parts of Obamacare that aren't bad.


Cool. You got a couple of jalepeno slices on your shite sandwich.






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kaleidoscope tiger
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The liberty of contract case. You brought that up.





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Rex
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This act is a fricking joke. It does next to nothing to help poor people afford healthcare insurance, and has zero chance of ever becoming law.





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Quentin Compson
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It does next to nothing to help poor people afford healthcare insurance
Yep, but most poor people are on medicaid.






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BugAC
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It does next to nothing to help poor people afford healthcare insurance


Actually, Rex, it does. By reducing frivolous lawsuits, opening up insurance purchase across state lines, expanding Health Savings Accounts, and providing a safety net fund for pre-existing conditions for those that immediately need it, this will directly lead to cheaper insurance for all.

Now, in your opinion, you probably believe that the only good insurance is insurance you don't have to pay for, aka, taxpayer funded. And like QC said above, medicaid is still there. So there should be no need for Obamacare.

Tell me, what parts, in particular, don't you like about this bill?



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CajunAngele
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Thanks for posting this Bug. It is by far the better replacement to the current. I did not read the thread. Did the usual proggies post ignorant facts and name-calling in here? You know...the ones that just personally attack and call posters stupid and flame?

Bookmarked for further discussion when I have time.






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SpartyGator
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thanks for posting





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BugAC
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Did the usual proggies post ignorant facts and name-calling in here? You know...the ones that just personally attack and call posters stupid and flame?


1 or 2 tried to, but it's mostly been a civil debate. The usual lefties have mostly ignored this thread. Kaleidoscope came and gave a civil debate. He supported 2 aspects of Obamacare. Both of which, become options for the individual, if you go with this bill. Freedom of choice.

Rex posted his usual inane BS, and i doubt he'll be coming back to the thread. I've tried to keep this thread on topic, to avoid the MSM parrot-ers.






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doubleb
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I think it best for people to have choices in picking insurance that they want.

If you want to cover your child living at home until he's 26, fine; purchase a policy that does that for you. Or if you are in a group, and the group wants that coverage then the group should get that coverage.

But why make insurance one size fits all and make everyone have that coverage? Why make everyone have birth control coverage?

I'm in a group plan, and the trustees and administrators decide what we as a group want and what we can afford.

When the Feds mandated extra coverage, we had to change our policy and provide that too. It's not "free" there is a cost to everything. so-called free check ups are paid for up front.

Personally if I went to the doctor I'd rather pay a few hundred bucks for a regular visit, but have affordable coverage if something really was bad. Having 20 dollar co pays, and all that is nice; but again you pay for it up front.

One size fits all is the statist way. They think they can determine what is best for everybody when actually they don't have much of a clue.

The Republicans should have put this proposal up for debate and not part of the debt ceiling debate. It seems like a fair proposal and deserves a public hearing on its own merits. Tying it to the deb ceiling won't permit that.

Good job bug man.






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kaleidoscope tiger
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If you want to cover your child living at home until he's 26, fine; purchase a policy that does that for you. Or if you are in a group, and the group wants that coverage then the group should get that coverage.


ACA doesn't FORCE parents to cover their kids, fwiw.

they have the choice. If you're for people having choices, why not give them the choice to cover their offspring through 26 if they'd like?







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BugAC
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ACA doesn't FORCE parents to cover their kids, fwiw.


Does the ACA have covering 27 year olds, a part of the policy?

If so, then yes, we are forced to pay for it. Those costs are paid for by taxpayer dollars. If a private insurer had that in it's policy, then the premiums for that policy would be higher than a policy without. The ACA forces everyone to pay into the Obamacare pot. If you do not wish to have Obamacare, that is your choice, but you MUST pay a fine to not have Obamacare. That fine is then distributed throughout the obamcare system. So either way, I must pay for policies that I, otherwise, would not choose to get, either by a penalty tax, or being forced into ACA.

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If you're for people having choices, why not give them the choice to cover their offspring through 26 if they'd like?


Nothing in the proposed bill prevents this.






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kaleidoscope tiger
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Does the ACA have covering 27 year olds, a part of the policy?


It's an option. So if you want to cover your dependents (which you also aren't forced to do), you can now cover them until they turn 27.

you don't seem to understand the bill you are vehemently against very well. how can you be sure you hate it if you don't even know much about it?
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Nothing in the proposed bill prevents this.







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BugAC
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It's an option. So if you want to cover your dependents (which you also aren't forced to do), you can now cover them until they turn 27.

you don't seem to understand the bill you are vehemently against very well. how can you be sure you hate it if you don't even know much about it?


I don't think you understand how the funding for Obamacare works.

How is Obamacare paid for? TAXES, TAXES, TAXES.

If you want abortions covered, you have that choice in obamacare. But I, as a taxpayer, do not. Even though i opt not to use that policy in Obamacare, my portion of taxes, still pays into EVERY Obamacare users premiums. Ergo, i pay for every humans healthcare that is in Obamacare. The costs are spread to me, you, and every other taxpayer.

Therefore, i pay for whatever coverage you may want, despite me not wanting to pay into it. And if i choose the private route, i must pay a penalty. if my company provided insurance chooses the private route, then my company gets penalized, which it has been, and our health insurance deductions are increasing next year as a direct result.

This is the hazard of socialized health insurance.



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kaleidoscope tiger
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I don't think you understand how the funding for Obamacare works.


so you're under the impression that people don't pay premiums? that if you want health insurance, you just say "yes, please" and you get it for free?

there's the disconnect. I understand that people pay premiums.






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BugAC
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so you're under the impression that people don't pay premiums? that if you want health insurance, you just say "yes, please" and you get it for free?


No i am not.

But using private healthcare lumps me into a much much smaller and more tailored group. Therefore, i can choose whatever policy i want and pay that premium, without having to pay a tax or government fine for doing so.

I understand you like those 2 parts of Obamacare. I really do. And you can have those 2 parts of Obamacare at a cheaper cost to you, and a cheaper cost to the US economy without the small business crippling effect of Obamacare.






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BugAC
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So, other than kaleidoscope, any other liberals care to comment on the merits of this bill?





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Taxing Authority
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there's the disconnect. I understand that people pay premiums.
Do you think what people pay covers he cost of their care? If so... Why not just pay it directly. You seem to have confused paying for premiums with paying for care. They are not the same






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