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Quentin Compson
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I'd wager he has collected at least four times more in benefits than he ever contributed to those programs,
which is why medicare is insolvent in its current form.






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olemc999
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, we pay for those currently receiving it (or at least in a future date, prior to our receiving it)


this, it is pretty much a government ran Ponzi scheme






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CVX
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Too bad your father didn't pull out.





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Rex
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re: You Republicans don't like Medicare or Medicaid or SocSec, either...


Medicare is not insolvent.






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Turkey_Creek_Tiger
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Rex
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That's darn cute.






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kingbob
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re: You Republicans don't like Medicare or Medicaid or SocSec, either...


It's not like that's been on the table.

The problem is, Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security are basically "Sacred Cows" in government. Even "small government" types like them because they feel like they paid into it and deserve to get the benefits they were promised. Any attempts to change these problems are met with the moniker of "pushing granny off a cliff".

The problem is that they are completely unsustainable as we do not have enough workers making enough money to support our retiring and soon to retire citizens.

We have to reform them, but politically, it's suicide. BTW, you'll be hard pressed to find a poster on this board that agreed with Bush's expansion of Medicare or really much of any of his policies (see No Child Left Behind, bailouts, treatment of war prisoners, the Patriot Act, domestic spying, ect)






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Mr.Perfect
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If you can't add and subtract your statement is correct





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Volvagia
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My father is 88 years old... I'd wager he has collected at least four times more in benefits than he ever contributed to those programs, even though he paid in his entire working life.


Pretty much the only way this is mathmatically possible is if he averaged less than 800 2013 dollars a month during his career.

Not saying its not true....but it seems unlikely.

ETA;

Although I was thinking more SS than Medicare.

Although I suspect if you put all SS/Medicare payments and do as the government did and put it in Treasuries to "grow" over that time.....

Still seems unlikely.



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Edearl Watson
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He's your president, too. Bite it.


He's the Supreme Allied Commander of:






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Rex
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The problem is, Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security are basically "Sacred Cows" in government.

And, of course, the TRUE Republican opposition to Obamacare now is that it, too, will also be popular and a sacred cow.






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jorconalx
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I don't get any sort of government payout


I do not believe this, I would actually bet money that you do.






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Quentin Compson
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Just because something is popular does not make it smart. Will people be fond of the upcoming interesting doctor office experiences once 30 million people have access (with no increase in doctors)?





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Rex
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I do not believe this, I would actually bet money that you do.

The last guy who said that wouldn't put his money where his mouth is.






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Paluka
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re: You Republicans don't like Medicare or Medicaid or SocSec, either...


How many times has the Federal government defunded any sort of big entitlement or welfare program once it was in place? Even if it turns out to be terrible for everyone?





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jorconalx
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The last guy who said that wouldn't put his money where his mouth is


If you're talking about Russian, he didn't have to.






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constant cough
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Medicare is not insolvent.



At $17 trillion in debt and soon to be $20 mathematically you'd have to say the whole government is insolvent. Hell we don't even pass a budget anymore.






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kingbob
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And, of course, the TRUE Republican opposition to Obamacare now is that it, too, will also be popular and a sacred cow.



No, pretty sure that's not it.

I'm pretty sure it has much more to do with the facts that:
a. it is causing premiums to skyrocket for most people
b. it is causing millions of workers to lose their employer coverage due to the increasing costs of premiums
c. it's causing thousands of businesses to layoff workers reduce hours, or freeze hiring to avoid having to pay for penalties or health coverage
d. it is based on an unconstitutional use of the interstate commerce clause due to the fact that purchasing insurance across state lines is already illegal.
e. it is unconstitutional as a tax due to having been introduced in the wrong house of Congress to be legally passed as a tax.
f. we were lied to about being able to keep our own doctor and insurance
g. it forces religious groups to pay for coverage for their employees that covers provisions that go against their religious beliefs
h. it is causing thousands of doctors to retire early
i. even the unions are up in arms about it






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Gray Tiger
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I don't get any sort of government payout so I won't be hurting at all. DO IT.



Still mooching off your wife?






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Rex
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re: You Republicans don't like Medicare or Medicaid or SocSec, either...


at your list.






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