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We beat Bama in the regular season. On the road. That should've counted. Lucky for you, it didn't. It was still a dumb match up.

One team wins the division and the conference.

The other team, in the same division, does neither and is also beaten on the road.

But they still get to the national championship game. That's BS. It wouldn't happen to any other team.

I guess the games during the season only kinda count, if you're Bama, at least. Right?

ETA: Not trying to be a jerk but it makes no sense. Not trying to dump on you personally.

I apologize if I ticked you off.

Thank you. You were very polite and understanding.
I understand the mentality that Oklahoma State deserved their chance since Oregon and Alabama had blown their opportunities, but who wants to watch the national championship if the two best teams aren't featured? I wouldn't. Based on a variety of factors, I'm certain Alabama would have crushed anyone else in the country. LSU was the toughest possible opponent for Alabama. Perhaps, Alabama didn't deserve a shot to play LSU again, but no one else deserved to be put on the field against Alabama but you. Seriously, the 2011 defense's worst games statistically was against Georgia Southern where they gave up 14 points and 341 yards. 121 of those yards were on two big plays where Georgia Southern caught Alabama sleeping. I'd also like to point out that Georgia Southern's offense only scored points in the second quarter. The triple option is difficult to defend when your team or program isn't used to playing those teams. Take away those two big touchdown scores, and people would say Alabama did an excellent job holding Georgia Southern's offense to 0 points and 220 yards.

I don't think anyone would score more than 21 points on Alabama without great help from the Special Teams or Defense. Alabama missed 3 kicks against LSU, 1 was blocked. I'll say Alabama left at least 4 points off the board because the unblocked kick and extra point were within Shelley's range. LSU's elite defense kept them in the game early, but as the game wore on Alabama continued not to have great scoring success but managed to earn 21 points against the second best defense in the country. South Carolina was ranked the 3rd best defense in the country and had a higher pass defense, but performances against Georgia and Arkansas show how great a gap there was between the #2 defense and the #3 defense. Alabama and LSU's defenses were closer than South Carolina and LSU's were. The difference between Alabama and LSU's defense was a small valley. The difference between LSU and South Carolina's defenses was a canyon.

I respect your 2011 team. The Special Teams and defense are some of the best I've seen since I started watching football a few years ago. I haven't seen Special Teams that dominant on TV or in replays ever. I've only observed one defense that was better than that since I started watching football. Be proud of 13-0.

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Posted by I-59 Tiger

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Posted on 8/1/13 at 10:14 am to Gardevoir

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Alabama missed 3 kicks against LSU, 1 was blocked. I'll say Alabama left at least 4 points off the board because the unblocked kick and extra point were within Shelley's range

A team can attempt a field goal from their own 20 yard line if they wish.Merely signaling the kicking team out on the field doesn't mean the kick should count. It was obvious the kicker was off and two in regulation were very long. The play run on 3rd down in OT was an awful call from the sidelines.

Never understood while Tide fans have immediate talking points on all the points left off the scoreboard, they refuse to concede LSU left four off before halftime due to the clock running out at the Alabama one forcing a field goal instead of a touchdown.

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Posted by Tiger Voodoo

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Posted on 8/1/13 at 10:22 am to Gardevoir

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Based on a variety of factors, I'm certain Alabama would have crushed anyone else in the country

Actually, an idea as absolute as that can only be founded on one factor: your heart.

You are clearly a huge Alabama fan. You love them and think they are the cat's meow.

But BEFORE 1/9, that was simply a ludicrous proposition.

Even the voters that put them ahead of OSU likely wouldn't make a statement like that because they would probably lose their vote in the poll the following year.

Sure, many people could reasonably believe that Alabama was the best team at that point based on their close loss to LSU, but anyone saying Alabama would "certainly crush" anyone else in the country is just as stupid as an LSU fan claiming the same thing.

You see, you believe that LSU would have been handed the title if OSU had been selected. As a rational LSU fan, I can tell you that is a preposterous statement.

Do I think we were better than OSU? Yes I do. Do I think we would have won the game? Yes I do.

But I would never assume that as a fact, and would be embarrassed by any LSU fans that would as well. Those are type of "fans" that represent the idiotic part of my fan base, which I can only assume is the part of Alabama's fan base in which you reside.

You are not trying to have an open and honest discourse, and that has become clearer and clearer with every post, most notably this little nugget right here:

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LSU was the toughest possible opponent for Alabama. Perhaps, Alabama didn't deserve a shot to play LSU again, but no one else deserved to be put on the field against Alabama but you.

No one else deserved to be put on the field against Alabama but LSU????

Your hindsight bias and backwards perspective is comical at this point. LSU BEAT ALABAMA. Convincing or not in YOUR eyes, the scoreboard tells no lies.

The question was who deserved to be put on the field against LSU, not the other way around, Gump (I can now feel comfortable referring to you by that tag).

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Posted by Baloo

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Posted on 8/1/13 at 10:39 am to Gardevoir

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I understand the mentality that Oklahoma State deserved their chance since Oregon and Alabama had blown their opportunities, but who wants to watch the national championship if the two best teams aren't featured? I wouldn't. Based on a variety of factors, I'm certain Alabama would have crushed anyone else in the country.

Well, no one much wanted to watch the rematch, as it got awful ratings. So if we're talking about "what do the people want?" Bama clearly loses.

What I really hate about this argument is this assumption that obviously Bama was the best team. Like people were arguing for OSU because they were a weaker squad. Nothing of the sort. OSU had the better objective resume. Bama had a better subjective quality, according to its backers. Frankly, the eyeball test is frequently wrong. We all "knew" that Ohio St was much better than Florida in 2006 and was going to kill them. I'm always loathe to accept that we "know" one team is better based on the eyeball test.

It's just confirmation bias and fitting a team in the narrative. We don't know squat because there's barely any data out there. But we can rate objective criteria. It's why resume matters more. Who did you beat? What did you accomplish? Everything else is just BS.

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Posted by Mo Jeaux

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Posted on 8/1/13 at 10:42 am to Gardevoir