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re: Barry Larkin says no one associated with PEDs will be elected to HOF
Posted on 7/25/13 at 4:00 pm to ballscaster
Posted on 7/25/13 at 4:00 pm to ballscaster
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My standard has been crystal clear: if you cheat by taking illegal performance enhancing drugs, you shouldn't get in. The argument that steroids weren't illegal in baseball until a decade ago is preposterous. Why would baseball need to make against its own rules what is already against its country's laws?
That hasn't been rebuttal. My rebuttal is how do we know who used? And you've been anything but crystal clear on that. You said we just know. And that's not good enough for me.
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Blaming those for wanting rules enforced rather than blaming those who broke the rules in the first place is insane.
But this isn't about enforcing the rules. Bonds clearly does not give two shits about the Hall. Which is kind of beautiful, BTW. This isn't enforcement, as this is all retroactive. This is about punishing people who "got away with something". And I want no part of that. And you're still glossing over that these players were downright encouraged to use, so why are the players to bear the burden of punishment? If drugs are so bad, they will have the cancer and die early. They already bear the weight of their decisions. And how was it "selfish contempt for the game"? If anything, sacrificing your long term health for people's enjoyment is the ultimate sacrifice. and if there is no health risk, then why do we care?
This is just an ex post facto law and the invention of retroactive sanctions to unproven and untried allegations. I do think there's a difference between a guy like Raffy and others, as he actually failed a drug test. But I'd keep him out anyway because his numbers, adjusted for context, aren't Hall-worthy anyway. But I'm a big fan of due process, and keeping everybody out because we know they all cheated and inventing a rule to be applied to a crime retroactively just makes my skin crawl. That's inherently wrong.
Posted on 7/25/13 at 4:15 pm to Baloo
quote:Already been over that.
My rebuttal is how do we know who used?
quote:No, I haven't.
You said we just know.
quote:Some of the players cheated. Some of the players did not cheat. That's why.
why are the players to bear the burden of punishment?
quote:Not the issue. Whether or not drugs are bad is irrelevant. They are illegal and used to gain unfair competitive advantage. Players who don't cheat should be protected from this.
If drugs are so bad, they will have the cancer and die early.
quote:Breaking the rules for one's own personal gain. How do you not get this?
And how was it "selfish contempt for the game"?
quote:No it isn't. Some players are known to have cheated, whether it be by failed drug tests, circumstantial evidence, or verbal confession. We know this. There is nothing unproven or untried about this. I would vote for none of these players, and I sincerely hope they never get honored with a place in the Hall.
This is just an ex post facto law and the invention of retroactive sanctions to unproven and untried allegations.
quote:As do I; I get the feeling you think that I disagree with you on this.
I do think there's a difference between a guy like Raffy and others, as he actually failed a drug test.
quote:I'm just not doing that.
But I'm a big fan of due process, and keeping everybody out because we know they all cheated and inventing a rule to be applied to a crime retroactively just makes my skin crawl.
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