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re: Barry Larkin says no one associated with PEDs will be elected to HOF

Posted on 7/25/13 at 3:21 pm to
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 7/25/13 at 3:21 pm to
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If your standard is "He broke the law, he shouldn't get in", that is perfectly fair.
My standard has been crystal clear: if you cheat by taking illegal performance enhancing drugs, you shouldn't get in. The argument that steroids weren't illegal in baseball until a decade ago is preposterous. Why would baseball need to make against its own rules what is already against its country's laws?
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Using the HOF as a hammer to further pound the table about PED is just an effin drag.
Blaming those for wanting rules enforced rather than blaming those who broke the rules in the first place is insane. Don't shame those who put the rules and the game on a pedestal in favor of those who have a selfish contempt for the game and its rules. The cheaters are the problem—not the cheater-haters.
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TWO. Lots of people are going to be kept out because there's too many great players o the ballot. You can only vote for 10, and with the backlog, it's just going to be hard for a player to muscle their way to the top. I think all borderline cases are completely screwed (that means you, Mike Mussina). Even should be slam dunks like Thomas could have trouble getting in. And he's widely considered to be one of the clean
You appear to be really good at following really terrible points with really great points.
Posted by Baloo
Formerly MDGeaux
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 7/25/13 at 4:00 pm to
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My standard has been crystal clear: if you cheat by taking illegal performance enhancing drugs, you shouldn't get in. The argument that steroids weren't illegal in baseball until a decade ago is preposterous. Why would baseball need to make against its own rules what is already against its country's laws?

That hasn't been rebuttal. My rebuttal is how do we know who used? And you've been anything but crystal clear on that. You said we just know. And that's not good enough for me.

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Blaming those for wanting rules enforced rather than blaming those who broke the rules in the first place is insane.

But this isn't about enforcing the rules. Bonds clearly does not give two shits about the Hall. Which is kind of beautiful, BTW. This isn't enforcement, as this is all retroactive. This is about punishing people who "got away with something". And I want no part of that. And you're still glossing over that these players were downright encouraged to use, so why are the players to bear the burden of punishment? If drugs are so bad, they will have the cancer and die early. They already bear the weight of their decisions. And how was it "selfish contempt for the game"? If anything, sacrificing your long term health for people's enjoyment is the ultimate sacrifice. and if there is no health risk, then why do we care?

This is just an ex post facto law and the invention of retroactive sanctions to unproven and untried allegations. I do think there's a difference between a guy like Raffy and others, as he actually failed a drug test. But I'd keep him out anyway because his numbers, adjusted for context, aren't Hall-worthy anyway. But I'm a big fan of due process, and keeping everybody out because we know they all cheated and inventing a rule to be applied to a crime retroactively just makes my skin crawl. That's inherently wrong.
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