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mikelowery1911
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Seriously. Save for peanut butter, dribbling a ball, and a few music contributions, what really have blacks contributed to American prosperity? Absolutely nothing. I stand by this statement: Blacks are, and have always been, worse off now, than before the Civil Rights movement.

That's right. We murder each other at exponentially a much greater clip. We have more single, unwed mothers ever. A very high percentage of us are incarcerated. And a majority of Americans view the first ever black President as a failure (ill stop short of saying collosal).

Please tell me you are trolling. Black people as a whole are better off now than any time in our country's history.

Exponentially more people in the middle class and in college. Less people living in poverty. Violence is down around 50%. It's not even close. 80-85% living in poverty 50 years ago to 35-40% now. That is within one lifetime. I am sitting in a graduate class at LSU now. 30% of the class was black. We were not allowed on the campus pretty civil rights movement.

The poverty level is still too high. The crime level is still too high but to pretend progress has not been made is being a prisoner of the moment.
What we did not have 50 years ago was 24 hours news, cable television, the Internet. These give people the impression that things are worse when are actually much better.

There is still a lot of work to do but progress is being made everyday by black people who quietly go to work school and do the right thing.






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faxis
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Anybody else just loving this post racial America we created when we elected Obama?





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ljhog
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What has the GZ/TM situation taught you?

Nothing. It has, however, reinforced by perceptions and opinions of the community.






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SabiDojo
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I wouldn't consider that to be pessimism.



Philosophically, it is considered the pessimistic view of human nature.






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SabiDojo
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I think optimism in the condition of human nature is not possible. Those with more feel entitled. It has been that way. Those with less feel excised against, and thus entitled too in a democracy.



Optimism contradicts our nature. However, people feel that structures, values, or institutions corrupt us. They feel that these things are to blame rather than their own innate nature.

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Democracy is failing, but moreso in that the government tries to help more in our current societal state.

Democracy, like many governmental concepts and ideologies, will most likely fail.


Democracy can work so long as we recognize ourselves as social beings. Thus, we need to recognize that government is natural rather than an invention.

Also, I think our current system has proven rather destructive. Enlightened self-interest has corrupted politics and redefined what constitutes the public good. What we have is reactionary to current problems and our system alienates those who cannot have their interests heard.

Like I've said many times in this thread, if we want to change anything, we must change our American culture first.








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RogerTheShrubber
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we must change our American culture first.


In what way? It's always changing.

Our government and political culture was born out of a distrust and fear of a concentration of power.






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Scruffy
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SabiDojo
You keep using "optimism" and "pessimism", but I really think you should be referring to it as "skepticism".

The other two are emotional states.






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SabiDojo
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In what way? It's always changing.



I'm talking about how you view reality. Our culture should put faith in values. I'm not talking about just Christian values. I'm talking about values that have been discussed for centuries: justice, love, fairness, and beauty. The circumstances will always change, but you put faith in the values and you place emphasis on them.

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Our government and political culture was born out of a distrust and fear of a concentration of power.



You don't put your faith in government. You don't put your faith in people. You put faith in the ideals I just listed.



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SabiDojo
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You keep using "optimism" and "pessimism", but I really think you should be referring to it as "skepticism".

The other two are emotional states.


No. I'm talking about views of human nature. In philosophy, you have those who have an optimistic view of human nature, those who have a pessimistic view of human nature, those who believe we have no nature, and those who believe we are hopeless.






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northLAgoomba
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It has taught me that the American public is far more ignorant than I originally thought.





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RogerTheShrubber
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ur culture should put faith in values. I'm not talking about just Christian values. I'm talking about values that have been discussed for centuries: justice, love, fairness, and beauty. The circumstances will always change, but you put faith in the values and you place emphasis on them.


We do. The problem is, and always will be, a diversity of values which makes consensus damn near impossible. We don't have and never will have a list of shared, common values. If anything, it will become more fragmented.

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Our government and political culture was born out of a distrust and fear of a concentration of power.



You don't put your faith in government. You don't put your faith in people. You put faith in the ideals I just listed.


Our ideals are all over the place. It's the price we pay for a diversity of culture.







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Libertyabides71
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Double tap





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SabiDojo
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We do. The problem is, and always will be, a diversity of values which makes consensus damn near impossible. We don't have and never will have a list of shared, common values. If anything, it will become more fragmented.



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Our ideals are all over the place. It's the price we pay for a diversity of culture.



My friend, I'm talking about using St. Thomas Aquinas' natural law. It applies to all people from all backgrounds from all times.






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Libertyabides71
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Dave Chappelle was actually very prophetic

"America may be at war with Al Qaeda but we are losing the war against Al Sharpton"






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mikelowery1911
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Also, it clearly shows the power the media has to incite the masses on both sides. It is actually pretty astounding







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mikelowery1911
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If you want to blame Europe for something how bout after they tried to colonize the entire world they drew up arbitrary lines when they left leaving people who have always hated each other living together under one government.



This is the real.






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mikelowery1911
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Not true. Why is the resource scarce? Europeans wouldn't have come to Africa if it wasn't rich with resources that they can claim. Same thing happened to Native Americans, Europeans so the riches of America and wanted it for themselves. The world would be peaceful if it wasn't for Europeans

Man you sound like Elijah Muhammad. Native tribes in Africa and the Americas were constantly at war with on another.






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mikelowery1911
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Dave Chappelle was actually very prophetic

"America may be at war with Al Qaeda but we are losing the war against Al Sharpton"



Love that dude. Another one of my favorite quotes of his was. "I was hesitant to tell me dad that I wanted to pursue comedy. That meant I would have been the first person in my family that did not go to college....that was not a slave"






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TerryDawg03
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That the majority of our country's racial mindset is apparently stuck in the setting of a Grisham novel set in Mississippi in the early 50's.





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EthanL
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Anybody else just loving this post racial America we created when we elected Obama?


You are mistaken. This country has had many racially charged issues, they just seem to go unresolved.

Question: why didn't white people riot as much as black people in protest of the Rodney King incident?






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