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re: Anybody else think the B1G messed up the new divisions set to begin in 2014?
Posted on 7/17/13 at 5:51 pm to molsusports
Posted on 7/17/13 at 5:51 pm to molsusports
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Look at the map and where the recruiting is. The Big 12 should have realized there were no talent rich states in the Big 12 North and that would be a long term problem
And who would have seen that circa 1995 when Nebraska was winning 3 titles in 4 years? That's just 20/20 hindsight. All those teams played at least 1 game in either Texas or Oklahoma every year.
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Here I think you misunderstand my point or misrepresent your earlier point
Im not really arguing for any particular set up. Earlier you and some others where arguing that 1 division was stacked and then arguing that only a handful of teams were winning the conference every year. I was just suggesting that if your concern was that only a handful of teams were winning the league, then you'd be better off having those teams in the same division. I have no real preference and lean toward basic geographic set ups because its easy and subjective. Trying to guess who will be good over more than the next couple of years is fool hardy at best. It seems safe to say tOSU and UM will always be good, but who could have predicted what happened at PSU? How will that affect them long term?
We haven't mentioned the ACC, which split what all assumed would be the dominant powers in FSU and Miami, in different divisions. They had them play the first game for several years to space out a potential ACC CG match-up which hasn't happened. Both are clearly in a talent rich areas and have massive, recent success. Many were saying when Miami, VT and BC joined the ACC would be the #2 or #3 conference and instead what happened? In tanked, Miami and FSU fell off, VT won as much by default. Going on 10 years in and Miami has yet to make the ACC CG, let alone face FSU. Scrub teams like Wake Forest, GT and BC have gone to the ACC CG. VT at least held up their end. Now, really, who would have predicted that? Scandal and bad coaching hires have hurt miami and the dominance of the SEC is also hurting them since they compete for the same recruits. There is no way you can tell me how it will look in 5, let alone 10, 20 years.
This post was edited on 7/17/13 at 6:10 pm
Posted on 7/17/13 at 6:37 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Look at the map and where the recruiting is. The Big 12 should have realized there were no talent rich states in the Big 12 North and that would be a long term problem
And who would have seen that circa 1995 when Nebraska was winning 3 titles in 4 years? That's just 20/20 hindsight. All those teams played at least 1 game in either Texas or Oklahoma every year.
It is 20/20 hindsight with respect to the 90s Big 12 but since we know there was a problem in retrospect and since that was a contributing factor to the lack of success of the conference perhaps other conferences should learn from that mistake.
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Im not really arguing for any particular set up.
you just want to argue without purpose?
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I was just suggesting that if your concern was that only a handful of teams were winning the league, then you'd be better off having those teams in the same division.
Again, I think you intentionally misunderstand or misrepresent the point. The Big 10 seems to lack a depth of quality teams but the best programs they have are disproportionately placed into one of the two divisions.
This is a problem for several reasons touched on recently in this thread with respect to fairness and parity.
If you want to play the "no one can know the future" card then fine. Abandon all hope of planning for the future. While you're at it rearrange the SEC by putting Alabama and Auburn in the East and Missouri in the West so it makes more geographic sense.
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