Conjecture. What's wrong with him? Is Hill a fundamentally "wrong" person? I'm uncomfortable with labeling anyone like that, without some serious evidence to back it up. Which doesn't exist here.

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Why is he still on the football team at LSU? Because something's wrong with LSU.

Miles has consistently suspended or dismissed players who have acted out of line. There is almost no evidence that Miles runs a "lawless" program or that he turns a blind eye to his players offenses. Quite the opposite, actually. And I'd point out that Hill is currently indefinitely suspended.

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Hill doesn't belong at Tiger Stadium being celebrated by 92,542 LSU fans

Opinion. But made up as well.

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if the courts in Louisiana won't lock him away, far be it from LSU coach Les Miles to keep him away

Is Doyel insinuating that the BR courts are corrupt? That he got a free pass from the justice system because he plays football? There is nothing to support that interpretation. The courts didn't lock him away because he is guilty of two misdemeanors, and if we locked away every kid with two misdemeanors, our jails would be even more overcrowded than they are now. Also, I point out again, Hill is currently suspended and not allowed to do anything with the team right now. So he is being "kept away".

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Miles earns $4.3 million a year to win football games, so he's not into doing the right thing.

Miles is the only coach in the history of college football to throw a Heisman finalist off his team without that player having a single arrest. The only one. It's absolutely false to suggest Miles has no interest in the "right thing", and he's shown a very active interest in it.

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He's into doing the winning thing -- and Jeremy Hill helps him win.

That's absolutely true. Points there.

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Hill is a great running back

Also true

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but a scary guy

Not really. I'm not afraid of Hill. Do you think he's a danger to society? Honestly? I wouldn't want him dating my daughter, but I also don't think he's Capone or anything.

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viciously indiscriminant

Nothing to suggest this. Absolutely nothing. In fact, this fight was pretty darn targeted at one dude.

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guilty of preying sexually on a girl

"Preying"? Really? I don't know the facts of the case, and neither does Doyel, or you, as it is under seal. He is guilty of having carnal knowledge of a 14 year old. Anything else is unproven and untried. He was not convicted of stalking or sexual assault. Preying is a very strong word. Maybe it he did prey on her, but I honestly don't know. Neither does Doyel. He can't know.

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preying violently on a young man

It was an f'n bar fight. Whatever. The number of people in a bar fight number in the millions. I would not say millions of people preyed on people violently. In fact, given the video, it seems we catch the middle of the fight. We have absolutely no idea... NONE.. who started it and why. More importantly, neither does Doyel.

Portraying him as some animal is insulting, and an extreme reading of the facts of the record. It is possible Doyel's reading is true, but it is certainly not actually proven by the facts we know.

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Posted by Lester Earl

Member since Nov 2003

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Posted on 7/14/13 at 3:30 pm to Baloo

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There is very little evidence to call Hill a "predator". He has two misdemeanor convictions. That's hardly a "predator", by any stretch of the word.

he ran the victim down(preyed) and punched him(violence).

Seems to fit the bill to me.

Men that take advantage of underage women are routinely call "predators".

Is their some stipulation that I am not aware of that prevents misdemeanor criminals from being labeled predators ?

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Miles has consistently suspended or dismissed players who have acted out of line. There is almost no evidence that Miles runs a "lawless" program or that he turns a blind eye to his players offenses.

He has showed favoritism to his upper echelon players (RP, JJ, TM7, Hill potentially) in comparison to the lesser players (Kyle Anderson, Zhmmal thomas, Troy Giddens, Derrick Odom).

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Miles is the only coach in the history of college football to throw a Heisman finalist off his team without that player having a single arrest. The only one. It's absolutely false to suggest Miles has no interest in the "right thing", and he's shown a very active interest in it.

TM7 failed over 10 drug tests while at LSU.

So no telling how many chances he actually got.

So don't glorify Miles for that.

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Not really. I'm not afraid of Hill. Do you think he's a danger to society? Honestly? I wouldn't want him dating my daughter, but I also don't think he's Capone or anything.

at what point would you think he becomes a danger to society?

What if there is a next time, and this becomes an established pattern(if its not already)? Then what?

Ever been a CEO of a company? How do you explain that if something happens again?

You certainly can't say "well, I never saw that coming!".

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It was an f'n bar fight. Whatever. The number of people in a bar fight number in the millions. I would not say millions of people preyed on people violently. In fact, given the video, it seems we catch the middle of the fight. We have absolutely no idea... NONE.. who started it and why. More importantly, neither does Doyel

That's not a bar fight. It was a cheap shot by a 230 man that could have been truly bad. His weak effort is his only saving grace here.

The intent is what really matters. If he knocks the guy clean out and he hits his head and causes serious damage, then what? It's certainly not just a "fight". A fight is where 2 people knowingly engage in an altercation. Not when someone runs up behind you and blindsides you.

And had it been more serious, you certainly wouldnt be hesitating from calling him an animal, or a predator, IMO. Just be thankful he can't punch as well as he can run the football. Because that is not what I call a bar fight.

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It is possible Doyel's reading is true, but it is certainly not actually proven by the facts we know.

Just because people do not agree with his opinion, does not give you the right to say he has made things up. He has all his facts straight.

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Posted by Terry the Tiger

Cypress, Texas

Member since Jul 2009

3494 posts

Posted on 7/14/13 at 6:47 pm to Baloo

Doyel grew up in MS, attended HS in GA, and graduated from UF. No wonder he has an anti-LSU hatred.

Just look at his recent articles, he is always calling people losers and such. These types of writers get to damage anyone's reputation with a few key strokes by hiding behind the system.

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