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8 years with Les.....what are your thoughts....
Posted on 7/4/13 at 2:49 am
Posted on 7/4/13 at 2:49 am
THE GOOD
-recruiting has been great (second only to Saban)
-player conditioning has been excellent (Moffitt)
-player development has been good (less freaks like Kiki, Matheu, Montgomery, etc)
-program has been run mostly clean with high graduation rates
-winning percentage is excellent and stadium sells out every game (as good as it gets)
-a National Championship and 2 SEC titles
THE BAD
-95+ % of all games are close (includes good and bad teams)
-coaching staff decisions have been marginal at best (less Chief) ie. Maleveto, Stud as OC with no OL coaching, etc (position coaches have been hit/miss)
-team discipline has been poor with preseason arrests that have negatively affected the season (somewhat common with elite players...happens other places too)
-game day coaching has been poor (strategy and use of players... Has gotten worse over the last 2 years)
-game day organization and discipline has been poor (penalties, delay of game, busted plays, use of time outs, etc)
What are your thoughts?
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Posted on 7/4/13 at 2:52 am to MarlinMan
I love some Les. Main negative for me is the game day coaching.
Posted on 7/4/13 at 3:20 am to MarlinMan
I get really pissed at crazy game time adjustments or lack thereof. Despite this, I frickING LOVE LES.
The man is pure class, wins, and recruits incredibly. LSU is a premiere national team and he has us sailing smoothly.
The man is pure class, wins, and recruits incredibly. LSU is a premiere national team and he has us sailing smoothly.
Posted on 7/4/13 at 3:25 am to MarlinMan
While it was obvious that the disaster that was the 2008 season had rather severe effects on the mentality of JLee, I don't think we ever truly appreciated the effect it had on the mentality of Les Miles. After that season our offense went into a shell, and for the most part of the last 4 years it has stayed there. For the record, I think Les will make major strides forward this year. He trusts Cam enough to open up the offense a bit, and when he has some success, he'll feel more comfortable. A year or two from now we will have "Lesticles" back. Then the SEC will have their hands full.
Posted on 7/4/13 at 3:27 am to MarlinMan
10+ win seasons 6/8 seasons, finished ranked 7/8 seasons, 2 SEC championships, and 1 national championship. I'm a fan.
The off the field stuff is concerning.
The off the field stuff is concerning.
Posted on 7/4/13 at 3:29 am to MarlinMan
quote:
THE GOOD
Good synopsis
quote:
THE BAD
-95+ % of all games are close (includes good and bad teams)
Without getting out the calculator, I'm pretty sure this is a gross exaggeration.
quote:
-team discipline has been poor with preseason arrests that have negatively affected the season (somewhat common with elite players...happens other places too)
We've had our high profile incidents, but as you note, others have theirs, too. I'd say we're on the low end of the misbehavior scale relative to other schools. I'd be more concerned if nothing was being reported, because that would mean it's all being covered up. 85 college guys will get into a certain amount of trouble, athletes or not, and reported or not. There have been numerous threads on how it was "back in the day," and in a lot of ways, players were more out of control than these guys have ever dreamed of being. The difference is, nowadays when something happens, it's on the Rant within five minutes, often accompanied by video.
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-game day coaching has been poor (strategy and use of players... Has gotten worse over the last 2 years)
Most of this has been due to our QB issues. When the offense is one dimensional, nothing works right. We'll see how the addition of Cam changes things.
quote:
-game day organization and discipline has been poor (penalties, delay of game, busted plays, use of time outs, etc)
Valid criticism. It's not Miles' strong suit, although he has worked on it and gotten better IYAM.
Posted on 7/4/13 at 3:31 am to MarlinMan
honestly, it's probably been the best 8 year stretch in LSU football history.
Posted on 7/4/13 at 3:46 am to MarlinMan
quote:
-95+ % of all games are close (includes good and bad teams)
Hyperbole
quote:
Stud as OC
Stud had damn good success as OC at Bowling Green and he did fairly well last year towards the middle when the younger offensive line starting meshing together. While Stud isn't a great OC, he's definitely better than what some people make him out to be. Meyer tried to hire him as the OC at Ohio St for a reason.
quote:
team discipline has been poor with preseason arrests
Poor? More like better than average. Most other teams have WAY worse discipline issues. Miles has done a great job in this department. A couple fights per year is no big deal compared to armed robbery, rape, murder, etc...
quote:
game day coaching has been poor (strategy and use of players... Has gotten worse over the last 2 years)
It's gotten progressively worse each game? No because each game has ups and downs with a plethora of factors. quote:
game day organization and discipline has been poor
Another over exaggeration. Every teams has some hiccups. LSU only has one major screw up about once every season or every other season. Not every single game.
Though the penalties were excessive last year. Mingo would get 2 offsides almost every game
Posted on 7/4/13 at 3:56 am to MarlinMan
quote:You should post a link with that dumbassery.
-95+ % of all games are close (includes good and bad teams)
quote:More retarded thoughts as he has one of the premier staffs in the country.
-coaching staff decisions have been marginal at best (less Chief) ie. Maleveto, Stud as OC with no OL coaching, etc (position coaches have been hit/miss)
An ex FBS OC as OL coach, 100 NFL-win OC, Chavis, 'nuff said.
quote:does not equal
-game day coaching has been poor (strategy and use of players... Has gotten worse over the last 2 years)
-game day organization and discipline has been poor (penalties, delay of game, busted plays, use of time outs, etc)
quote:
-winning percentage is excellent and stadium sells out every game (as good as it gets)
-a National Championship and 2 SEC titles
quote:Much of your post disagrees with itself, but good to see you have changed 50% of your bad attitude.
What are your thoughts?
Posted on 7/4/13 at 5:59 am to MarlinMan
The good: He's a great coach
The bad: He's not Saban
The bad: He's not Saban
Posted on 7/4/13 at 6:03 am to MarlinMan
quote:
8 years with Les.....what are your thoughts.... (Posted on 7/4/13 at 2:49 am)
He's a great college coach. Certainly not the best but still great.
When people talk about firing him whenever there is a bad loss or losing a recruit I always think "ok fine we can fire him but first tell me who LSU is guaranteed to get to replace him that is better?"
Posted on 7/4/13 at 6:36 am to MarlinMan
For me it always comes down to one question: Who out there would do a better job ?
My answer is that I don't see a better coach who would be a better fit here at LSU than Les Miles.
My answer is that I don't see a better coach who would be a better fit here at LSU than Les Miles.
Posted on 7/4/13 at 7:11 am to MarlinMan
phenomenal coach Sunday through Friday. Mediocre on Saturdays.
Poor offensive mind.
Poor offensive mind.
Posted on 7/4/13 at 7:12 am to MarlinMan
I really think Miles has the players future before his own personal goals. Its seems like the guys play hard for him with a few exceptions.
Eta. For those N.S. lovers out there become Tide fans.
Eta. For those N.S. lovers out there become Tide fans.
This post was edited on 7/4/13 at 7:16 am
Posted on 7/4/13 at 7:21 am to MarlinMan
IDK exactly how I feel about Elmer Fudd.
I hated him for how he basically laid down 1-9-12
I hated him for how he treated JL (without JL, a bunch of you would have had much worse feelings for this man)
I hated the love affair he had with JJ.
But on the same token he has run a clean program.. I dont blame him for selfish players that put themselves above the team, that ultimalty hurts us.
Bottom line is, alabama has taken 2-3 from us and has won 3 out last 4 NCs and favored to win this year... call it bama sessed all you like, fact is they are in our conf and in our divsion..
For US to achieve what we all want to achieve we have to beat them... PERIOD.
I hated him for how he basically laid down 1-9-12
I hated him for how he treated JL (without JL, a bunch of you would have had much worse feelings for this man)
I hated the love affair he had with JJ.
But on the same token he has run a clean program.. I dont blame him for selfish players that put themselves above the team, that ultimalty hurts us.
Bottom line is, alabama has taken 2-3 from us and has won 3 out last 4 NCs and favored to win this year... call it bama sessed all you like, fact is they are in our conf and in our divsion..
For US to achieve what we all want to achieve we have to beat them... PERIOD.
Posted on 7/4/13 at 7:33 am to MarlinMan
Underappreciated.
Will not put winning above character. He kicked off a starting QB who had just won us the seccg, and a heisman finalist for poor judgement. His only questionable call on this subject has been Jefferson.
Will not put winning above character. He kicked off a starting QB who had just won us the seccg, and a heisman finalist for poor judgement. His only questionable call on this subject has been Jefferson.
Posted on 7/4/13 at 7:39 am to MarlinMan
Probably the best eight year run for LSU that I can remember! All coaching staffs have their ups and downs but for the most part Les has done really good job. I say carry on and lets get another NC! 
Posted on 7/4/13 at 7:46 am to MarlinMan
Tell me anyone who would not go back to their Alma Mater for way more pay and a place where they would win 8 games a yr asleep? The Michigan program at that time was at a 25-30 yr low and was the opportunity of a lifetime for anyone in the profession. Who wouldnt have hauled arse if that gig had fallen in their lap?
What did Mr. Miles do? He decides to stay at LSU in the SEC West, yeah u know that place where Tuscaloosa resides, and compete against the best in the country. And his reward is..... he gets to listen to his own unappreciative fans belittle him on a weekly basis even in the off season. An off season that saw him bring in a tremendous and program changing OOS recruiting class and while doing all this, hires the best OC that was available. Do u think its an accident that Coach Stud takes the demotion and stays with this man when other OC and possible HC jobs were available to him?
Its time to wake up people and realize just what u have here. Saban runs out on two programs and str8 up lies to both of his employers or would u rather have Urban Meyer , who couldnt even handle the stress of the SEC East. Its been 8 years and he's still standing with his morals and values intact and with a damn strong football team.
Good 95%
Bad 5%-(game day mgt and speaking with the press)
LSU is so lucky to have this guy representing their school and the football program. He's not perfect, but tell me someone that is?
What did Mr. Miles do? He decides to stay at LSU in the SEC West, yeah u know that place where Tuscaloosa resides, and compete against the best in the country. And his reward is..... he gets to listen to his own unappreciative fans belittle him on a weekly basis even in the off season. An off season that saw him bring in a tremendous and program changing OOS recruiting class and while doing all this, hires the best OC that was available. Do u think its an accident that Coach Stud takes the demotion and stays with this man when other OC and possible HC jobs were available to him?
Its time to wake up people and realize just what u have here. Saban runs out on two programs and str8 up lies to both of his employers or would u rather have Urban Meyer , who couldnt even handle the stress of the SEC East. Its been 8 years and he's still standing with his morals and values intact and with a damn strong football team.
Good 95%
Bad 5%-(game day mgt and speaking with the press)
LSU is so lucky to have this guy representing their school and the football program. He's not perfect, but tell me someone that is?
Posted on 7/4/13 at 8:09 am to MarlinMan
Love less but we should have at least 2 or 3 or 4 more BCSNC.
2005 (bad tennesse comeback) 2006 (florida) 2011 (Bama rematch) and 2012 (piss poor execution at Florida and Bama comeback).
I might even go out on a limb and say we could have contended in 2012 if not for th
2005 (bad tennesse comeback) 2006 (florida) 2011 (Bama rematch) and 2012 (piss poor execution at Florida and Bama comeback).
I might even go out on a limb and say we could have contended in 2012 if not for th
Posted on 7/4/13 at 8:18 am to MarlinMan
quote:
-95+ % of all games are close (includes good and bad teams)
2011 team disagrees!
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