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Do you think Xbox is pushing for a Steam model because they are scared of Steam?
Posted on 6/19/13 at 10:30 am
Posted on 6/19/13 at 10:30 am
Maybe they don't see PS and Nintendo as much of a threat compared to Steam and the resurgence in PC gaming?
Of course I don't think they have ever really directly competed with Nintendo and neither does the PS. Nintendo has always catered to a different market.
Or maybe they know if they have a model similar to Steam it will allow them to not only compete with Steam (which they really can't do now) it will also allow them to dominate the console market in the future.
In just two generations they have carved out a nice market share and have been virtually tied or ahead of PS for this consoles life cycle. Maybe they see digital (Steam) as the next threat as well as a way to put them over the top and achieve their goal of being the only device you use for entertainment.
Just thinking out loud here.
Of course I don't think they have ever really directly competed with Nintendo and neither does the PS. Nintendo has always catered to a different market.
Or maybe they know if they have a model similar to Steam it will allow them to not only compete with Steam (which they really can't do now) it will also allow them to dominate the console market in the future.
In just two generations they have carved out a nice market share and have been virtually tied or ahead of PS for this consoles life cycle. Maybe they see digital (Steam) as the next threat as well as a way to put them over the top and achieve their goal of being the only device you use for entertainment.
Just thinking out loud here.
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Posted on 6/19/13 at 10:32 am to stout
I don't think they are scared of it, but I think they see what Valve has created and the money they make off of it and that definitely has their attention.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 10:34 am to stout
If they were scared of Steam, I imagine they'd focus more on differentiating themselves from PC experiences. While what they do with the One is to be determined, the previous MS consoles gave PC gamers very little reason to get it.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 10:36 am to oauron
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I imagine they'd focus more on differentiating themselves from PC experiences.
Right which is probably a huge reason for the set top box feature AKA one device to control them all and all of the entertainment apps they have added/are adding.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 10:38 am to stout
i think its less of being scared of steam or viewing them as a threat, and more of being impressed and wanting to copy steam out of respect
remember, Steam started originally as a way for valve to patch counterstrike
they see how Steam took over PC gaming with its incredibly friendly UI, discount sales,and ease of accessbility and want in on that action and be the first to do it in the Console market and crush all competitors early.
current steam users who own a gaming PC arent going to rush out and get a console that can do what their PC can already do (more than likely). But people who dont own a PC will get the XBone and greatly enjoy the digital marketplace provided.
especially if they get great F2P titles and charge for ingame items . Im very interesting in seeing how World of Tanks does
remember, Steam started originally as a way for valve to patch counterstrike
they see how Steam took over PC gaming with its incredibly friendly UI, discount sales,and ease of accessbility and want in on that action and be the first to do it in the Console market and crush all competitors early.
current steam users who own a gaming PC arent going to rush out and get a console that can do what their PC can already do (more than likely). But people who dont own a PC will get the XBone and greatly enjoy the digital marketplace provided.
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it will also allow them to dominate the console market in the future.
especially if they get great F2P titles and charge for ingame items . Im very interesting in seeing how World of Tanks does
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Prior to Steam, Valve had problems releasing updates for their online games, such as Counter-Strike, wherein a patch would result in the disconnection of the larger part of the online user base for several days. They decided to make a platform which would update games automatically, and implement better anti-piracy and anti-cheat measures. Valve originally approached several companies – including Microsoft, Yahoo!, and RealNetworks – to build a client with these features, but all turned them down
This post was edited on 6/19/13 at 10:43 am
Posted on 6/19/13 at 10:43 am to jefforize
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especially if they get great F2P titles and charge for ingame items . Im very interesting in seeing how World of Tanks does
The PS4 is going to have F2P as well and they are even getting Planetside 2, which I have long said is not my cup of tea, but tons of people enjoy it on PC and no doubt tons will on console too.
The difference between the two will be if Xbox can actually get the Steam model to work and how soon they get there. They seem to have a timeline in mind but I think if they aren't strongly progressing towards it within 12-18 months they may not make it there at all and will lose this gen. JMO
This post was edited on 6/19/13 at 10:45 am
Posted on 6/19/13 at 10:44 am to stout
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Right which is probably a huge reason for the set top box feature AKA one device to control them all and all of the entertainment apps they have added/are adding.
That I agree. The only question is will that entice PC gamers enough to get the console over their other options. Can't say too much for what the PS4 will offer till we closer to launch, but I do know that Wii U offers things that you won't find PC/360/PS3. I know that PC/Wii was a popular choice last generation.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 10:47 am to stout
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The PS4 is going to have F2P as well and they are even getting Planetside 2, which I have long said is not my cup of tea, but tons of people enjoy it on PC and no doubt tons will on console too.
I agree with you on Planetside 2. Not a fan of it, but I was excited about Warframe being announced. Been playing that slowly and I've been enjoying it.
I was surprised that Sony was going after F2P PC/PS4 games, but I know they've had success with it on PS3 and Vita.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 10:48 am to oauron
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The only question is will that entice PC gamers enough to get the console over their other options.
Not sure. The features and interface it has are nicer than what an HTPC has but plenty of PC guys here would probably go the HTPC route vs a console just because they are hardware nerds. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I am about to build an HTPC/Steam box myself.
Not sure how it is everywhere else though.
The only other thing that may draw them is if Xbox stops letting it's exclusives go to PC as well.
This post was edited on 6/19/13 at 10:49 am
Posted on 6/19/13 at 10:51 am to stout
They should be scared of Steam. Steam does not like Windows, and as soon as they make their own console they'll push Xbox and Playstation.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 10:52 am to stout
i think they are looking long term, and see steam as a huge competitor. xbox will never break more than 5% in Japan, so forget them, and stick to the NA and Europe gamers.
With them adding games like world of tanks, which is huge in europe, especially eastern europe, they get into a shared game vs pc. head to head competition vs steam.
So either Xbox one competes vs steam, or they combine, and xbox decides to stick with expanding xbox live and steam takes over the gaming part of xbox one(or xbox 3 by then).
Who knows.
With them adding games like world of tanks, which is huge in europe, especially eastern europe, they get into a shared game vs pc. head to head competition vs steam.
So either Xbox one competes vs steam, or they combine, and xbox decides to stick with expanding xbox live and steam takes over the gaming part of xbox one(or xbox 3 by then).
Who knows.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 10:53 am to stout
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The only other thing that may draw them is if Xbox stops letting it's exclusives go to PC as well.
This would be big factor. MS always had Halo and Gears which were the big games to not be on PC. Although, things have changed and all the big titles (Call of Duty, BF4, Destiny, Titan Fall, etc.) that have the biggest interest are all multiplatform. MS will really need to push Forza 5, Ryse, and Sunset Overdrive (if it isn't on PC).
Posted on 6/19/13 at 10:53 am to oauron
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I was surprised that Sony was going after F2P PC/PS4 games, but I know they've had success with it on PS3 and Vita.
I think both Sony and Xbox can't ignore F2P anymore. There are some games that make tons of money. What's crazy is that like 80% of a F2Ps income comes from only like 25% of its players. It can thrive and profit on a small community if they are dedicated enough.
Steam said they have paid out over $10 million to individuals who create content for TF2 and sell it in the marketplace. Now imagine what Steam makes off of it.
I need to get off my arse and create some stuff in Blender and Game Makers Studio I can sell.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 10:55 am to wadewilson
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Steam does not like Windows
Gabe despises Microsoft actually
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and as soon as they make their own console they'll push Xbox and Playstation.
I think so too as long as they are line with pricing. I have been pricing building my own HTPC/Steam box and I can easily build one for $400. No doubt they can do it cheaper and with proprietary software.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 10:56 am to stout
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I think both Sony and Xbox can't ignore F2P anymore. There are some games that make tons of money. What's crazy is that like 80% of a F2Ps income comes from only like 25% of its players. It can thrive and profit on a small community if they are dedicated enough.
Exactly. Userbase becomes less important and more people are willing to at least try it because it's free to download. While I don't like the pay to win aspect of F2P, there have been some very good experiments with the model.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 10:57 am to oauron
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Sunset Overdrive (if it isn't on PC).
I wonder if with the relationship Xbox and Epic have always had, if they will bring Fortnite to Xbox. It's only going to be on PC at this point. I am really looking forward to that game.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 11:00 am to oauron
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While I don't like the pay to win aspect of F2P
This is the biggest thing. If a F2P can find the balance in this, they will attract people because like you said everyone is willing to at least try a F2P. If stuff is virtually impossible to unlock, and really leaves you no choice but to buy it, you won't retain very many of those people though.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 11:02 am to stout
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Gabe despises Microsoft actually
From what I have seen he hates windows because it is the main platform every game comes on, but he feels that microsoft does nothing to help the games. He wants a better os for games and they don't really care what he wants. I know they upset him a lot with windows 8. Of course they upset a lot of people with windows 8.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 11:02 am to stout
Whatever the frick league of legends does, its working.
but mobas and rts will always suck on a console.
but mobas and rts will always suck on a console.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 11:04 am to Mr Gardoki
It's going to be even harder for Gabe to push Windows out of gaming now that Xbox is using Windows as well. Developers can now code for two systems at the same time meaning they only have to make one port (the PS4) now instead of two.
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