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hypnos
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Those AI stocks are just dead sexy. Well thought out, you just cant say enough good about them honestly. What barrel and trigger combination is he using.





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faxis
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That Remington Varmint is heavy and more importantly it's long. So when you've got it on a sling, it's trying to roll around on you. You will find it a pain in the arse rolling around on a four wheeler if you don't have it cased up somehow. That said, who gives a shite since it's a long range rifle, you aren't going to be carrying it around like a regular hunting rifle, and it's purpose built for what it is. Yes, that barrel is excellent. It's a beautiful piece of machinery.





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nogoodjr
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An interesting proposition for sure but I think 2 rifles would be better. Take $300 and buy a used savage, weatherby vanguard, Ruger, ect.. and add a $150 scope and you can easily achieve hunting accuracy for 100-200yd shots.

A rifle/scope combination capable of shooting accurately at the distances you are talking about is a completely different animal. The tolerances have to be so tight. Invest in a used, rifle that someone else put too much money in as a hobby. See if you enjoy learning to shoot that well (it's not easy). Then, if you absolutely love it. I recommend you buy this and invite me to shoot it as often as possible



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TheNolaClap
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I'm also about to put the XLR chassis on my rem 700 .308 SPS varmint. I was going to use my 700 adl 7mm mag, but it doesn't look right with a "sporter" cut barrel





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kengel2
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That Remington Varmint is heavy and more importantly it's long. So when you've got it on a sling, it's trying to roll around on you. You will find it a pain in the arse rolling around on a four wheeler if you don't have it cased up somehow. That said, who gives a shite since it's a long range rifle, you aren't going to be carrying it around like a regular hunting rifle, and it's purpose built for what it is. Yes, that barrel is excellent. It's a beautiful piece of machinery.


When I said Remington Varmint, I didn't mean the gun. I meant barrel contour or barrel profile. I don't see any need to go to a heavier profile, I have a m24 profile rock Creek barrel on my 260 and at 24 inches that thing is a beast and I wish someone would have told me it wasn't needed. I built my rifle to shoot, I take it hunting, shooting, competitions, etc. Unless you have money to spend I don't see the point in tieing up 5 grand in a range only rifle.







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TigerOnThe Hill
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An interesting proposition for sure but I think 2 rifles would be better. Take $300 and buy a used savage, weatherby vanguard, Ruger, ect.. and add a $150 scope and you can easily achieve hunting accuracy for 100-200yd shots.

Good advice. If you use the same action/barrel and just change stocks, you're going to end up w/ 1 of 2 rifles:
1. A hunting rifle that is too light and has too short a barrel for target shooting, or
2. A nice target rifle that is so heavy and has such a long barrel that you're not going to want to hunt w/ it.

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Invest in a used, rifle that someone else put too much money in as a hobby. See if you enjoy learning to shoot that well (it's not easy).

Agreed. Long range competitive shooting is not an easy game to learn. Like many other hobbies, there's a temptation to put too much emphasis on equipment as opposed to developing one's skills, especially in the early going.

I discussed a possible gun project w/ Hill Country some years ago. They were VERY nice folks. In fact, I might have done the project w/ them, but I ended up using someone else who already had the donor gun (Remington XP100 handgun) I needed for the project.






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kengel2
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Who needs a long barrel?
LINK

Thats a 308, with factory Corbon ammo.

I took my old 20" 308 out to 1000 with factory Southwest ammo.

One rifle can do it all, easily. The real question is, Who the hell wants one rifle?






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TigerOnThe Hill
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Can't view the video as I'm at work. I wholeheartedly agree that a short barrel can be VERY accurate; in fact, the longest barrel of my battery of hunting handguns is only 15" and they're all very accurate. My understanding about the F class competition is that since the ranges are from 600-1000 yards, competitors normally use barrels much longer than the usual hunting length barrel. A shorter barrel can be very accurate, but most shooters will be at a competitive disadvantage because the short barrel won't generate as much velocity as will a long barrerl gun.





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tigrbaseball
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You left off one thing and thats inviting me to go hunting with you





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kengel2
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Can't view the video as I'm at work. I wholeheartedly agree that a short barrel can be VERY accurate; in fact, the longest barrel of my battery of hunting handguns is only 15" and they're all very accurate. My understanding about the F class competition is that since the ranges are from 600-1000 yards, competitors normally use barrels much longer than the usual hunting length barrel. A shorter barrel can be very accurate, but most shooters will be at a competitive disadvantage because the short barrel won't generate as much velocity as will a long barrerl gun.


True, I think I skipped over the Fclass thing. I remember his bosses gun shooting at one of the FPR matches a while back. That class isnt santctioned and while there are some rules they are suited to keep "real" rifles in the competition. I dont really consider a 30 lb f class gun that sits in a rest a "real" rifle. Might as well use the Mann device and let the machine shoot little holes.

If he wants to shoot FPR than a shorter barrel would work fine as long as he practices. Most of the winning guns are 24"-26" barrels in a 6.5mm or 6mm caliber. But thats FPR where those calibers are legal.

However, if you want to shoot a real competition go shoot one like this.

GAP Grind

I shot this match, it was pretty freaking awesome.






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hypnos
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Im glad this thread came out before I began my build. Kengle would you mind giving me some build advice for starting to shoot long range. Im starting with a 700 chambered in .308 I was planing on buying one of those shillen precut/chambered varmint barrels with a bell and carlson stock and probably a vortex or nightforce scope.

Edit.

I know Im not ready for a high end action with all the bells and whistles. Im looking for something to learn on.



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kengel2
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Im glad this thread came out before I began my build. Kengle would you mind giving me some build advice for starting to shoot long range. Im starting with a 700 chambered in .308 I was planing on buying one of those shillen precut/chambered varmint barrels with a bell and carlson stock and probably a vortex or nightforce scope.


Good start. If its a first gun, Id shoot the piss out of it and learn proper techniques first. The snipershide videos are a great start to the fundamentals of shooting and apply to every form.

As far as the build.
Action- a trued/blueprinted Remington action is not a bad thing. They are actually very good depending on the gunsmith. Id venture to say that you wont need a custom action if you dont really want to spend the money. That remington will be just fine. For a gunsmith, I used LINK, Ted is in Houma and shoots regularly at the PRS/FPR matches.You always have the big names, GAP/Surgeon/TACOPS/KMW/etc, but they have enormous wait times.

Barrel- My gun uses a Rock barrel, but Shilen/Bartlein/Rock/Brux/Kreiger/Obermeyer/etc all make excellent barrels. Like I said earlier, I wouldnt go above a Remington Varmint Contour on the barrel if shooting tactical matches.

As far a the precut barrels, I wouldnt bother with it. Just buy the blank and have the gunsmith install it when they true/blueprint the action.

Stock- Id pass on the B&C stock. I would save up for a Manners/McMillan if you wanted a traditional stock. Or one of the various chassis systems out there..XLR/Whiskey3/AI/Eberlestock/Rock Solid/Etc etc. The chassis are nice because most of the time they eliminate bedding. Bedding is not hard, just a pain in the ass.

My preference with stocks is a McMillan A3-5, non adjustable because it fits me. Id recommend going to one of the FPR matches at Palo Alto and talking with the people out there, Id bet they would let you finger every gun out there if you ask nicely.

Scopes- Vortex/Nightforce make great scopes. I shoot a Bushnell HDMR. Just make sure the reticle and adjustments are the same. If its a mildot reticle make sure it has mil adjustments, MOA/MOA, IPHY/IPHY. Last thing you want to do, is convert Mil to MOA and so forth. PITA. If you want to buy a scope new, contact Jay at SportOptics in Hammond. Or Chris over there, they will get you setup with what you need.

Its alot to explain, research as much as possible, but more importantly...shoot more or at least practice more(dryfire).

For the best advice on buying a custom built gun. Unless you have some sort of weird setup you want, I bet the exact gun is for sale on snipershide right now for much less than new. Id also bet that the "used" hasnt even been broken in yet.

Same goes for scopes, accessories, etc.






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TigerOnThe Hill
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Good info, especially re: the value of a "used" gun.





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faxis
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There's a guy that knows what he's talking about.

I'll add one tip on buying scopes. I've got a few Leupolds this way including the Mark 4 on my 700 PSS. You're bound to know a hunter safety instructor somewhere, they have access to a huge discount with Leupold every year. If he doesn't use it, see if he'd let you. Can save you a ton of money on a Leupold if you decide to look at those.






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TigerOnThe Hill
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re: Rate/critique my plans for new project.


Here's a nice "used" F class rifle (including Nightforce scope) for "only" $4500.
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RBWilliams8
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I rate it a big fat frick yeah.





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Sid in Lakeshore
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a nice "used" F class rifle


she show is purty...






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