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AV Club Over-analyses Friends Pilot Episode
Posted on 5/30/13 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 5/30/13 at 4:11 pm
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How about this, though: Friends premièred only seven months after the release of Reality Bites. Monica and Phoebe and Ross are supposed to be contemporaries of Lelaina and Vickie and Troy Dyer. The effort it takes for Chandler, Phoebe, and Joey to chant “Push her down the stairs” at that telenovela would have put Troy in a couch coma for a week. In a significant and underrated way, Friends took the ennui of so-called “slacker” culture and pushed it into a more optimistic, community-oriented direction. Monica says it flat-out to Rachel: “Welcome to the real world. It sucks! You’re gonna love it.” All the classic slacker elements are there: Rachel’s joblessness (or Chandler’s job-uselessness), Monica’s crappy love life, Chandler’s pop-culture reference-based humor.
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Posted on 5/30/13 at 4:18 pm to swamie
For an off shoot of the Onion, their over analyzations aren't very funny. And way less funny than ours.
Posted on 5/30/13 at 4:22 pm to ProjectP2294
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The characters are off-kilter to various degrees and generally defined by one characteristic: Sarcastic Chandler, Ditzy Phoebe, Gloomy Ross, Piggish Joey, Spoiled Rachel, Lovelorn Monica. Of the six, only Chandler (and Phoebe, I suppose) would retain these dominant characteristics for much longer than season one, and all of them would become less severe in their archetypes as things went along.
I wholeheartedly disagree with this. Friends is one of the worst offenders of the characters becoming caricatures issue.
Posted on 5/30/13 at 4:22 pm to ProjectP2294
I forgot I was supposed to find it funny because I saw the link from the Onion. I just loved the discussion, but I did laugh at the Troy couch coma line.
Posted on 5/30/13 at 4:24 pm to ProjectP2294
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I wholeheartedly disagree with this. Friends is one of the worst offenders of the characters becoming caricatures issue.
Absolutely. Ross in particular, he was just completely ridiculous towards the end.
Posted on 5/30/13 at 4:26 pm to ProjectP2294
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I wholeheartedly disagree with this. Friends is one of the worst offenders of the characters becoming caricatures issue.
That stood out as well. While Ross was probably the worst offender, I think you have to applaud them for being able to evolve the characters.
Sitcoms today are much worse at beating over the head with schticks. Hellloooo Always Sunny.
Posted on 5/30/13 at 4:26 pm to Fun Bunch
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Rachel, Chandler, and Monica are later established to be about 23 or 24 in this opening season—they are babies. No wonder they’re sitting in Monica’s apartment watching telenovelas in the middle of the day—what else would they be doing? There’s a curious emptiness about all of their lives—in New York City, living the dream, but not motivated to do much beyond hang out on the couch.
This explains a lot. It never really seemed like they were supposed to be that young though.
Posted on 5/30/13 at 4:30 pm to ProjectP2294
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I wholeheartedly disagree with this. Friends is one of the worst offenders of the characters becoming caricatures issue.
I think its spot on.
Watch a S1 episode and then watch any other season after ward
S1 all the characters were just blobs of personalities created by the writers and was really bad. Over the years they developed into their own characters with unique quirks and personality some of which are completely different than what they were in S1 (Pheobe being a prime example of this)
Posted on 5/30/13 at 4:37 pm to swamie
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I forgot I was supposed to find it funny because I saw the link from the Onion. I just loved the discussion, but I did laugh at the Troy couch coma line.
It was more a comment on the term "over-analyze". Generally those threads on here are much different than what the AV Club puts out.
But their writers really aren't all that funny when they're trying to be. And I don't think they all have good senses of humor. I've read reviews of shows like Community on there where they've completely missed the jokes the episodes were goind for.
Posted on 5/30/13 at 4:58 pm to ProjectP2294
The AV Club is not a satirical website. It is serious criticism of pop culture out of the same offices of The Onion, but otherwise unaffiliated. And the TV Club rules. Episode by episode recaps of classic shows?
They just started Freaks & Geeks and SportsNight as well.
They just started Freaks & Geeks and SportsNight as well.
Posted on 5/30/13 at 5:00 pm to Baloo
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The AV Club is not a satirical website. It is serious criticism of pop culture out of the same offices of The Onion, but otherwise unaffiliated. And the TV Club rules. Episode by episode recaps of classic shows?
They just started Freaks & Geeks and SportsNight as well.
Was just going to post this.
They are not intended to be funny.
Posted on 5/30/13 at 5:07 pm to Fun Bunch
He's referring to my use of over-analyzing in regards to how the M/TV board uses it.
Most of the time, the M/TV board will pick a movie and make fun of tropes or plot holes in the movie in a much more obvious way than the article I posted.
Most of the time, the M/TV board will pick a movie and make fun of tropes or plot holes in the movie in a much more obvious way than the article I posted.
Posted on 5/30/13 at 5:13 pm to Baloo
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And the TV Club rules.
I agree, one of my daily reads. I've even posted links to their suff here before. Though I didn't get as much response to my Duck Tales thred as I thought I would.
Posted on 5/30/13 at 6:14 pm to swamie
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Sitcoms today are much worse at beating over the head with schticks. Hellloooo Always Sunny.
Big Bang is a worse offender. I refuse to watch that shite. It's insulting.
Posted on 5/30/13 at 7:45 pm to Sophandros
Well, Chuck Lorre's formula for sitcoms is basically a paint by numbers book. His first show (Grace Under Fire) was just a rip off of Roseanne with a single mother twist and he hasn't rocked the boat since.
CBS got their own Friends Lite with How I Met Your Mother though, and of course not being a Chuck Lorre original, is CBS's lowest rated sitcom.
CBS got their own Friends Lite with How I Met Your Mother though, and of course not being a Chuck Lorre original, is CBS's lowest rated sitcom.
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