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The Playoff Rosters, Team Building Philosophy, and the Future of the Pelicans
Posted on 5/8/13 at 9:26 am
Posted on 5/8/13 at 9:26 am
So I'm watching the playoffs, and it occurs to me that we are seeing a very interesting contrast in styles between a lot of the teams that are left. You have what I would consider Big Ball vs Small Ball, or basically Rugged v Finesse.
The Grizzlies (and the Pacers) are the "new wave" of old school (if that makes sense): Big, rugged teams that pound away, play great post and perimeter Defense, dominate in the post, and then have guys that can nail corner 3s. The Grizzlies post presence would be hard for any team to duplicate, and the Pacers have a variety of guys with length, quickness, etc. I also do put the Spurs in this category as I see them as a tough, rugged defensive team with guys playing the perimeter 3s and dominate post presence.
On the other side you have smaller ball, you have teams like the Knicks who have a SF playing PF...they rely on ISO, perimeter scoring, jumpers from the elbow, and have a Center inside that is not a scorer but a guy that cleans up the missed jumpers. I do lump the Heat in this category because they do go small ball A LOT, the key difference being that they play spectacular Defense, obviously. And of course, the Knicks and Heat have two big, athletic SFs with unique skillsets, who are both among the very best players in the game, one of them an All Time Great and the other (melo) an all time great scorer.
So while those things can't be duplicated exactly, the model on which the teams are built can be followed.
Getting to my point:
THIS offseason is the offseason where our roster should begin to take shape, where the philosophy on which they want to build the team should begin. We have already started with the piece: Anthony Davis. But is AD better suited for one way, or the other? Do we groom him for a future as a slightly undersized Center to play small ball, run up and down...or do we have him as a dominate PF? Do we try to upgrade the Center position with a more rugged player like Pekovic to pair with Davis and give us a strong, physical post game? Then assemble 3 point shooters to space the floor, like Ryno, Martell Webster, Trey Burke, etc.?
Tell me your thoughts on the future of our roster, and how we start to assemble the team going forward. This is the offseason where the vision has to take shape.
Thoughts?
The Grizzlies (and the Pacers) are the "new wave" of old school (if that makes sense): Big, rugged teams that pound away, play great post and perimeter Defense, dominate in the post, and then have guys that can nail corner 3s. The Grizzlies post presence would be hard for any team to duplicate, and the Pacers have a variety of guys with length, quickness, etc. I also do put the Spurs in this category as I see them as a tough, rugged defensive team with guys playing the perimeter 3s and dominate post presence.
On the other side you have smaller ball, you have teams like the Knicks who have a SF playing PF...they rely on ISO, perimeter scoring, jumpers from the elbow, and have a Center inside that is not a scorer but a guy that cleans up the missed jumpers. I do lump the Heat in this category because they do go small ball A LOT, the key difference being that they play spectacular Defense, obviously. And of course, the Knicks and Heat have two big, athletic SFs with unique skillsets, who are both among the very best players in the game, one of them an All Time Great and the other (melo) an all time great scorer.
So while those things can't be duplicated exactly, the model on which the teams are built can be followed.
Getting to my point:
THIS offseason is the offseason where our roster should begin to take shape, where the philosophy on which they want to build the team should begin. We have already started with the piece: Anthony Davis. But is AD better suited for one way, or the other? Do we groom him for a future as a slightly undersized Center to play small ball, run up and down...or do we have him as a dominate PF? Do we try to upgrade the Center position with a more rugged player like Pekovic to pair with Davis and give us a strong, physical post game? Then assemble 3 point shooters to space the floor, like Ryno, Martell Webster, Trey Burke, etc.?
Tell me your thoughts on the future of our roster, and how we start to assemble the team going forward. This is the offseason where the vision has to take shape.
Thoughts?
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Posted on 5/8/13 at 9:32 am to Fun Bunch
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have him as a dominate PF
Marc Gasol is probably the best center in the league right now. I don't think that you can bank on finding another one of him. We're going to have to be somewhere in between, like the Celtics.
Posted on 5/8/13 at 9:59 am to Fun Bunch
Of the two, I'd think we are more likely to go with the Pacers / Grizzlies formula because of the parts we already have.
We can bring in Pekovic to play center, draft Trey Burke as the point, and bring in guys like Martell Webster and/or Dorell Wright to play the 3.
The potential roster-
Burke / Rivers
Gordon / ?
Webster or Wright / Miller
Davis / Anderson
Pekovic / Smith
Vasquez and Lopez would be flipped to pick up other pieces, such as a backup 2 if Rivers is going to be a point rather than a 2 going forward.
If we move on from Gordon, we could potentially bring in someone like JJ Reddick, who is an incredible shooter even if he can't create his own shots.
The offense would run the pick-and-roll / pick-and-pop through Burke and Davis. Pekovic's ability to score in the low post would make him a threat as an outlet while the outside shooting of Redick and Webster / Wright makes them a threat from behind the arc.
Sound reasonable?
We can bring in Pekovic to play center, draft Trey Burke as the point, and bring in guys like Martell Webster and/or Dorell Wright to play the 3.
The potential roster-
Burke / Rivers
Gordon / ?
Webster or Wright / Miller
Davis / Anderson
Pekovic / Smith
Vasquez and Lopez would be flipped to pick up other pieces, such as a backup 2 if Rivers is going to be a point rather than a 2 going forward.
If we move on from Gordon, we could potentially bring in someone like JJ Reddick, who is an incredible shooter even if he can't create his own shots.
The offense would run the pick-and-roll / pick-and-pop through Burke and Davis. Pekovic's ability to score in the low post would make him a threat as an outlet while the outside shooting of Redick and Webster / Wright makes them a threat from behind the arc.
Sound reasonable?
Posted on 5/8/13 at 10:16 am to Fun Bunch
I think rugged is the way to go. It fits Monty's defense first philosophy and the small ball teams have a dominant scoring SF which the Pelicans probably can't duplicate unless they win the lottery in 2014.
Posted on 5/8/13 at 10:53 am to Fun Bunch
If I was picking, I would pick the defense oriented model.
One of my favorite team(s) was the early 2000s Pistons. I like that hard-nose, grind out model a lot better than any other.
I think the more finesse teams that rely on scoring/shooting have a tougher time sustaining wins. Relying on shooting can get you into the playoffs, but it makes it tough to push through multiple game series.
I think the grind out teams do not need to rely on a superstar as much as the finesse teams do.
One of my favorite team(s) was the early 2000s Pistons. I like that hard-nose, grind out model a lot better than any other.
I think the more finesse teams that rely on scoring/shooting have a tougher time sustaining wins. Relying on shooting can get you into the playoffs, but it makes it tough to push through multiple game series.
I think the grind out teams do not need to rely on a superstar as much as the finesse teams do.
Posted on 5/8/13 at 11:26 am to Fun Bunch
Pelicans nab the 3 pick overall and Suns get the 5 pick. Pelicans trade 3 and Gordon to Suns for 5, 30, and Dudley. Pelicans still able to take Burke with the 5 and with the 30, they take Deshaun Thomas or Archie Goodwin. Sign Al Jefferson and Devin Ebanks as their free agents. We become the best of both worlds.
New wave of old school line up:
Pg Burke 6-0 and 190
Sg Dudley 6-7and 225
Sf Anderson 6-10 and 240
Pf Davis 6-10 and 230 (currently says 220, but let’s add 10)
C Jefferson 6-10 and 289
This is a big, rugged team that has the ability to push opponents around with their size and quickness up and down the court. 4 of the 5 play great post and perimeter defense- Ryno may need some work this offseason. They will be dominate in the post- Jefferson and Davis. Shoot Corner 3s all day long with Burke at 38.4%, Dudley at 39.1%, and Anderson 38.2%
Smaller ball lineup:
Pg Burke
Sg Dudley
Sf Ebanks
Pf Anderson
C Davis- 8.2 rebounds
To me, this line up spells out ISO, perimeter scoring, and jumpers from the elbow. Davis can clean up the missed jumpers, more than Bosh of the Heat, but less than Chandler of the Knicks. He can also provide a little more scoring than Chandler, but less than Bosh. Ebanks is an athletic SF with a unique skillset. Davis and Ebanks combined could make up for the fact that there is no one worthy of comparison to Lebron or Melo in 2013 draft or free agency that will be a Pelican at the start of next season.
2013-2014 Pelicans Roster:
Pg Burke- Vasquez- Roberts
Sg Dudley- Rivers- Mason Jr.
Sf Ryno- Ebanks- Miller- Deshaun Thomas or Archie Goodwin
Pf Davis- (Ryno)- Smiht- Amundson- for shitz and giggles
C Jefferson- Lopez- (Smiht)
New wave of old school line up:
Pg Burke 6-0 and 190
Sg Dudley 6-7and 225
Sf Anderson 6-10 and 240
Pf Davis 6-10 and 230 (currently says 220, but let’s add 10)
C Jefferson 6-10 and 289
This is a big, rugged team that has the ability to push opponents around with their size and quickness up and down the court. 4 of the 5 play great post and perimeter defense- Ryno may need some work this offseason. They will be dominate in the post- Jefferson and Davis. Shoot Corner 3s all day long with Burke at 38.4%, Dudley at 39.1%, and Anderson 38.2%
Smaller ball lineup:
Pg Burke
Sg Dudley
Sf Ebanks
Pf Anderson
C Davis- 8.2 rebounds
To me, this line up spells out ISO, perimeter scoring, and jumpers from the elbow. Davis can clean up the missed jumpers, more than Bosh of the Heat, but less than Chandler of the Knicks. He can also provide a little more scoring than Chandler, but less than Bosh. Ebanks is an athletic SF with a unique skillset. Davis and Ebanks combined could make up for the fact that there is no one worthy of comparison to Lebron or Melo in 2013 draft or free agency that will be a Pelican at the start of next season.
2013-2014 Pelicans Roster:
Pg Burke- Vasquez- Roberts
Sg Dudley- Rivers- Mason Jr.
Sf Ryno- Ebanks- Miller- Deshaun Thomas or Archie Goodwin
Pf Davis- (Ryno)- Smiht- Amundson- for shitz and giggles
C Jefferson- Lopez- (Smiht)
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