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How important was NBC's rejection of Star Trek's first pilot?
Posted on 5/5/13 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 5/5/13 at 4:17 pm
if they would have green lighted "The Cage" pilot with Pike instead of Kirk, with no Bones, and with a completely different Spock, does Star Trek become what it is today?
Pike was terrible and dull. his acting made the show seem too rehearsed and not really believable. when watching shatner, the show makes you forget about its lack of fancy tech because you can actually connect with him and his crew
the group actually has a dynamic, spock's lack of personality becomes his personality, and Kirk is a more believable leader. Pike and "number one" were just kinda creepy to me.
Pike was terrible and dull. his acting made the show seem too rehearsed and not really believable. when watching shatner, the show makes you forget about its lack of fancy tech because you can actually connect with him and his crew
the group actually has a dynamic, spock's lack of personality becomes his personality, and Kirk is a more believable leader. Pike and "number one" were just kinda creepy to me.
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Posted on 5/5/13 at 4:29 pm to TH03
I doubt if it lasts more than a season with Jeffrey Hunter instead of Shatner. The Kirk-Spock dynamic that made the show just would not have worked as well.
Note that both Lloyd Bridges and Jack Lord turned down the role of Kirk. Lord wanted co-ownership of the show, which Roddenberry wouldn't give; Bridges didn't think sci-fi would succeed as a series.
Note that both Lloyd Bridges and Jack Lord turned down the role of Kirk. Lord wanted co-ownership of the show, which Roddenberry wouldn't give; Bridges didn't think sci-fi would succeed as a series.
Posted on 5/5/13 at 4:31 pm to TH03
Of course you're right, but Captain Pike did give us this:
Posted on 5/5/13 at 4:37 pm to PowerTool
The Futurama bit where Pike tells a funny anecdote at the banquet was hysterical
Posted on 5/5/13 at 4:42 pm to PowerTool
that's true.
Posted on 5/5/13 at 5:10 pm to TH03
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if they would have green lighted "The Cage" pilot with Pike instead of Kirk, with no Bones, and with a completely different Spock, does Star Trek become what it is today?
Good question. I think the automatic answer is no. If you think about it though the original series only lasted 3 seasons and was never a ratings killer.
Star Trek Tos became a cult classic through syndication and nostalgia iirc.
While the pike version may have been lesser than the Kirk/Bones, it would have to have been completely shite to rule out those 2 strong emotional components.
Posted on 5/5/13 at 5:21 pm to TH03
Kirk and Spock = Jack Aubrey and Stephen Maturin.
Posted on 5/5/13 at 5:30 pm to Tigris
Kirk is based on Horatio Hornblower
In some ways the Kirk-Spock relationship is a variation on the situation, often seen in army films and westerns about the cavalry, of an experienced commander at odds with a subordinate officer with lots of book learning (just out of West Point/"The Academy") but not much real-life understanding (Kirk's hunches vs Spock's logic).
In some ways the Kirk-Spock relationship is a variation on the situation, often seen in army films and westerns about the cavalry, of an experienced commander at odds with a subordinate officer with lots of book learning (just out of West Point/"The Academy") but not much real-life understanding (Kirk's hunches vs Spock's logic).
Posted on 5/5/13 at 7:16 pm to jacks40
I don't think it would have been able to get the cult status and bring it back for the movies.
Posted on 5/5/13 at 7:54 pm to TH03
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I don't think it would have been able to get the cult status and bring it back for the movies.
I tend to lean that way as well with 1 caveat.
based on the success of TNG i tend to think Gene Roddenberry could have still put together a show that achieved some level of cult following.
The success of Star Wars and Close Encounters in mid late 70s had studios looking toward scifi movies in general & Trek still would have been an established product.
I think a good chance the first movie is made but Trek needed Shatner to reach the level it did and for the movies to hit some mainstream audiences and get multiple sequels.
Posted on 5/5/13 at 11:38 pm to TH03
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if they would have green lighted "The Cage" pilot with Pike instead of Kirk, with no Bones, and with a completely different Spock, does Star Trek become what it is today?
Absolutely not - without the chemistry of Shatner, Nimoy and Kelley, Star Trek does not become huge in syndication.
Do this: Go back and watch "Forbidden Planet" (it is a decent film, if you haven't seen it - a SciFi classic which Roddenberry basically ripped off for the idea for Star Trek). The principals in the first plot "The Cage" did a decent job, but that was it - they appeared to be showing up for a paycheck. Watch that episode back-to-back with "Where No Man Has Gone Before" - the actual TOS pilot (although "The Man Trap" actually aired first) - although Kelley did not appear, the early chemistry between Kirk and Spock was evident.
When you look at the crap that passes for entertainment these days, it is actually stunning how good the first season of TOS actually is. About half of the series' best episodes (and sadly, about 1/4 of the franchise's best episodes) aired during that first season.
This post was edited on 5/5/13 at 11:39 pm
Posted on 5/6/13 at 12:08 am to Ace Midnight
No way to know one way or the other. Pilots then (and now) can be notoriously different from the actual series. Lost in Space started as serious espionage and space travel and then morphed into camp dramedy.
Roddenberry's original, more cerebral tone may have been an improvement over the actual series. He may have switched back and forth from the action episodes to some really high-concept episodes. We'll never know.
Roddenberry's original, more cerebral tone may have been an improvement over the actual series. He may have switched back and forth from the action episodes to some really high-concept episodes. We'll never know.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 7:45 am to Fewer Kilometers
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He may have switched back and forth from the action episodes to some really high-concept episodes.
There were some high concept shows, although action was retained.
Devil in the Dark (a great blend of horror, suspense, a philosophical study of the nature of life/sentience, the role of poor communication in conflict initiation, unintended consequences of industrial expansion - just a whole raft of issues packed into a 50 minute episode.) Kirk and Spock battling (and shifting sides, in fact) over whether or not to kill the Horta - what risks are acceptable to avoid this, and throw in McCoy's internal struggle on what it means to be a healer - to say nothing of the military authorities having to come in and handle the situation while balancing the civilians lust for revenge.
Many of the episodes took a decidedly cerebral tone (some were not executed so well), even if there were significant action sequences, and the better episodes did so in this arena, in my opinion, versus many of the more action oriented.
This post was edited on 5/6/13 at 7:47 am
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