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he's no irvin meyers





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he's no irvin meyers
correcto.






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StraightCashHomey21
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Müller apologized for giving his post match presser drunk on an empty stomach and Javi had to call a taxi to take him to the hotel bc he got left at the stadium lol



but nothing will top david luiz






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RandySavage
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I agree but am not sure if that's a good or bad thing.





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LSUSOBEAST1
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Tito´s a good corch. Really. They´ll be alright. Look for some important signings.


He was in over his head this season. Should improve next season I figure. Need to make a big bid for Kompany, Agger or Hummels.






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and they need to offload dead weight. like cesc.





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LSUSOBEAST1
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Like I said, if he gives the team back to Xavi, rather than Messi, many things will be fall into place.





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StraightCashHomey21
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and they need to offload dead weight. like cesc.



back to Arsenal right






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Jumbeauxlaya
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and they need to offload dead weight. like cesc.


back to Arsenal right


I mean just as a favor to Barca we could maybe take him off their hands.






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this servant like attitude was precisely what i was talking about.





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yeah, i'm not sure what all the fuss is about honestly. they are on pace for many more pts in the league than they had last year and could top their total from two years ago. they got to the CL Semis and got steamrolled (with their best player not at 100%) by a team that's been steamrolling everyone outside a blip at home against Arsenal. If there is a major problem with giving the team to Messi, it is that he is a human and can get hurt.





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joey barton
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i'm not sure what all the fuss is about honestly


It started against Milan.

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If there is a major problem with giving the team to Messi, it is that he is a human and can get hurt.


There's more to it than that. If you can stay extremely disciplined and devote numbers to closing down Messi, you can push him to the periphery and keep him relatively quiet (as you can any player who has ever, and probably will ever, play(ed) the game). Barcelona hasn't really had an answer for that strategy against extremely high quality (Celtic excluded) teams this season, and to be clear, I think that people are judging Barcelona relative to previous Barcelonas, not to the rest of the field.

Now, whether or not that's a symptom of something systemic or simply a hiccup, I don't think anyone can say definitively.






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That's my thing though. Barça has had plenty of close, barely scrape by matches in the past, as Randy and I can attest to. Their D is aging not to mention they've thrown off their defensive balance from years past with a wingback at LB. It's been a really weird season for them with injuries, the whole cancer ordeal, etc. I think your last paragraph sums up how I feel pretty well, though maybe I lean to a different side on how to respond to that.





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joey barton
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though maybe I lean to a different side on how to respond to that.


Nah, I honestly think that they'll make a purchase or two and be fine.






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RandySavage
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Barça has had plenty of close, barely scrape by matches in the past,


I know you're trying to be polite but I dgas so that sentence should read, "Barca has had plenty of matches where they clearly deserved to lose but were repeatedly bailed out by all time borderline criminal officiating and their entire European reputation is built on the back of these more than dubious results".

They are no longer UEFA's Golden Boy's and thus are being widely exposed.






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LSUSOBEAST1
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Tito has essentially streamlined Pep's system. This has done two things:

#1 Allow Barcelona to rape the league by scoring a ton more goals

#2 Cause Barcelona to concede the most amount of goals in a league campaign since before Pep

This can entirely be pinned down on a couple things that Tito has changed.

First and foremost, he has taken the team from Xavi and given it to Messi. It is very much a "give Messi the ball" team at this point, which is good because, as aforementioned, it has allowed them to score more goals than they have in a long time. But it is terrible because it has pushed them away from the foundations Pep laid which made the club so dominant for the past several seasons.

This, in my opinion, can be blamed almost entirely on the Chelsea tie from last season's CL. After that match, many people came away saying how ineffective Barça were against a quality opponent who squeezed the pitch. There were a lot of cries for a more entertaining team who could score at will. Tito obliged and here we stand.

What people don't realize though is that Tito's Barça doesn't even play a possession system anymore. Sure, they may win statistical possession, but that is solely because they have an entire better XI than 9/10 squads they face.

Under Pep, possession wasn't the name of the game. Believe it or not it wasn't the central idea to their identity. It just happened to be an instrument they used to win matches. Pep's squads used possession in a methodical manner to gain numerical advantages, twist the opposition out of shape and, most importantly, prepare them for life without the ball. Xavi organized the players and then poked and prodded until an advantage was won and a shot was put on goal.

If the ball was lost, it was almost instantly won back thanks to the organization and pressing of the Barça players. This has literally disappeared under Tito. Because he has shifted the emphasis to offensive proficiency through Messi, the team is rarely organized in the opponent's third. Which means that when they lose the ball, they have to work much harder to attempt to win it back. This has directly resulted in the increase in goals allowed by Barcelona this season.

Bayern, and Milan to a less effective manner, have the blueprint to beat this team. Jupp pushed a high line, squeezing Messi further up the pitch, and put Javi on Iniesta, effectively removing Barcelona's entire attack. WIthout Xavi pulling the strings, Barça were unable to break down the Bayern defense, the ball was lost in the wrong places, and Barça subsequently got skinned defensively.

TL;DR: Pep's teams were dominant against big clubs, but often ineffective against smaller ones. Tito's team destroys the smaller clubs, but struggles with the bigger clubs. The team needs to be given back to Xavi, but Barça certainly need to sign a world class CB in addition to that.






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DEANintheYAY
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LSUSOBEAST1



Great summary. Where do you go from here?

1-Sign a top flight CB
2-Sign a new GK (Do you do that this year or next?)
3-Say goodbye to Cesc
4-Keep Thiago

I think you somehow need to figure out a way to get Tello and Thiago on the pitch more. I know they are still young, but you can tell they are special. Getting Tello minutes is easier than getting Thiago minutes, but I think these 2 can help Barca transition and maintain a high level of play for years to come.






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lesismeaurx
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Say goodbye to Cesc


Wut? Cesc is heir apparent in the midfield. This particular season hasn't been great for him, but that isn't really his fault. Tito has used him mostly as the 12th man, and all over the field.



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DEANintheYAY
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Wut? Cesc is heir apparent in the midfield. This particular season hasn't been great for him, but that isn't really his fault. Tito has used him mostly as the 12th man, and all over the field.



Cesc tended to do well against lower teams in league and disappear in bigger matches. Perhaps my memory is off, but if given the choice of Thiago or Cesc...I'll take the young kid. Same goes for Tello vs. Cesc.






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lol





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