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re: Chris Faulk's decision.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 11:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/26/13 at 11:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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we don't know this
i've seen many LSU OTs projected as "1st round OTs" by LSU fans who didn't get drafted close to that
It's not just LSU OT's or players. It's everyone. A 2014 mock is totally worthless. Hell there were guys projected as first rounders 2 DAYS AGO that weren't first rounders. Rare talents like Clowney or Luck we can project as a top picks, other than that, it's a waste of time.
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Posted on 4/26/13 at 11:03 pm to thunderbird1100
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or come back and potentially improve that with a lot of guaranteed money and probably worst case is he's still where he's at right now.
Yeah, that's a possibility. Or the exact opposite of all that happens for some reason, and your stock drops even lower.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 11:04 pm to tigerbru17
stay in school and improve draft status or get injuried again (it happens look at lattimore)
leave school early and be a 4-7th round pick with 1-2nd round talent.
I say go ahead and go in the draft, work your tail off and sign a 3 year contract. after 3 years cash in and become some teams dominant LT.
Its not like he couldn't look behind him and see all the talent we have on the Oline at LSU and what if he came back this year and didn't play very well and was replaced at LT by collins or someone else then he for sure would not have been drafted in the 2014 draft.
I would like the saints to take him in the 4-5th round this year.
leave school early and be a 4-7th round pick with 1-2nd round talent.
I say go ahead and go in the draft, work your tail off and sign a 3 year contract. after 3 years cash in and become some teams dominant LT.
Its not like he couldn't look behind him and see all the talent we have on the Oline at LSU and what if he came back this year and didn't play very well and was replaced at LT by collins or someone else then he for sure would not have been drafted in the 2014 draft.
I would like the saints to take him in the 4-5th round this year.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 11:05 pm to H-Town Tiger
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The "crappy" contract is $405,000 MINIMUM
And once again, you could sacrifice that non-guaranteed minimum contract for a year for potentially....
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No NFL contract is guaranteed
Completely false in terms of money. 1st and 2nd round picks have a nice deal of guaranteed money built into their initial contracts.
Riley Reiff was an OT selected in the mid-late 1st round last draft and signed a 4 year deal worth 8 million with 6.5 of that guaranteed money with the first 3 years full base salary also guaranteed.
So once again, my point is THAT kind potential is worth coming back a year for (if you have that potential which Faulk certainly did) vs. fighting for a roster spot immediately with little to no guaranteed money. If things dont work out coming back, you're still where you are now pretty much.
This post was edited on 4/26/13 at 11:07 pm
Posted on 4/26/13 at 11:05 pm to thunderbird1100
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Thunderbird1100
NFL scouts, GMs, and draft analysts agree with this guy fwiw
Posted on 4/26/13 at 11:06 pm to DanglingFury
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Yeah, that's a possibility. Or the exact opposite of all that happens for some reason, and your stock drops even lower.
So he's still fighting for a roster spot like he will be right now, it doesnt get any much lower than that...short of a career ender.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 11:07 pm to thunderbird1100
He left for a reason. His own reason. I'm sure the best consultants and analysts said he'd be a risk to draft. But he left anyway. There is a reason.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 11:08 pm to thunderbird1100
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Do some of you realize being a late round pick is nothing guaranteed?
yes, why do you not seem to grasp that coming back doesn't guarantee his stock will rise?
Yes they cut late round picks, There are also late round picks that become stars you seem to think it's a guarantee of failure and while the contract is not "guaranteed", if he makes a roster he will be guaranteed to get paid for as long as he is there.
This post was edited on 4/26/13 at 11:10 pm
Posted on 4/26/13 at 11:09 pm to tigerbru17
The draft isn't over yet! Also UDFA may allow him to chose the best opportunity for him. a year on the practice squad is not a bad thing in his case.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 11:09 pm to graychef
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He left for a reason. His own reason. I'm sure the best consultants and analysts said he'd be a risk to draft. But he left anyway. There is a reason.
Keep in mind I'm talking from a pure potential money standpoint. If he needs money right away, has something to support with emergency needs or whatever, then that's on him.
All I'm saying is the decision is definitely a very costly one potentially from a pure money standpoint.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 11:10 pm to thunderbird1100
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All I'm saying is the decision is definitely a very costly one potentially from a pure money standpoint.
And I'm saying the decision to leave is not always for purely monetary reasons.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 11:10 pm to graychef
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He left for a reason. His own reason. I'm sure the best consultants and analysts said he'd be a risk to draft. But he left anyway. There is a reason.
Agreed. I am fine with someone saying he made the best "personal decision" he could make. I am not fine with someone saying he made the best "professional decision" he could make.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 11:12 pm to H-Town Tiger
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yes, why do you not seem to grasp that coming back doesn't guarantee his stock will rise?
Jesus Christ I never said it definitely will. I said multiple times COULD, POTENTIALLY, etc...
Pretty much worst case (short of career ender) he's looking at where he's at anyways coming back for 1 more year.
If it helps I think guys like Ware and Ford made a good decision to go pro because...
A. RB lifespans are super short
B. They were losing carries and wouldn't have the chance to improve their stock anyways by coming back
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There are also late round picks that become stars
So do undrafted players even, this isn't my argument though. My argument is centered around up front guaranteed money.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 11:14 pm to thunderbird1100
Really would have love to see him come back this year. It seems lie a number of these kids made poor decisions to leave early. Only time will tell how it works out for any of them though.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 11:14 pm to graychef
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And I'm saying the decision to leave is not always for purely monetary reasons.
And once again I'll say it's still a potentially life altering costly decision even if it wasn't money driven.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 11:14 pm to Magicmikeforlsu
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It seems lie a number of these kids made poor decisions to leave early
who?
Posted on 4/26/13 at 11:15 pm to thunderbird1100
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Pretty much worst case (short of career ender) he's looking at where he's at anyways coming back for 1 more year.
Are you just fricking with us now?
Posted on 4/26/13 at 11:15 pm to thunderbird1100
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Completely false in terms of money. 1st and 2nd round picks have a nice deal of guaranteed money built into their initial contracts.
Riley Reiff was an OT selected in the mid-late 1st round last draft and signed a 4 year deal worth 8 million with 6.5 of that guaranteed money with the first 3 years full base salary also guaranteed.
I don't think you understand what any of this means. Yes, first rounders get more and they will get larger signing bonuses, which is money they keep even if they get cut, so guaranteed in that sense. Late round picks will get some signing bonus, just not as much, its not as if he could walk away with literally nothing. Even if he goes undrafted he could still sign with someone and he would get some form of signing bonus, which he would get to keep. If he does make a team he will get paid something.
I'd still like you to explain why you think he would play well if he stayed at LSU and won't if he's drafted in the say the 5th round? Cause it stands to reason if he played well at LSU that he would also play well in camp and as a rookie.
This post was edited on 4/26/13 at 11:21 pm
Posted on 4/26/13 at 11:18 pm to thunderbird1100
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Pretty much worst case (short of career ender) he's looking at where he's at anyways coming back for 1 more year.
only he would have one less year of getting paid and be one year further from his potential 2nd contract.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 11:18 pm to DanglingFury
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Are you just fricking with us now?
Seriously do you not understand late round picks are guaranteed pretty much nothing?
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