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re: Stock markets vulnerable to hack - flash crash, about $100 billion disappears

Posted on 4/25/13 at 3:28 pm to
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 4/25/13 at 3:28 pm to
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I'm really starting to understand your hostility towards the mogray's, etc..

It's more frustration than hostility, but I suppose it does come across as a little hostile at times.

I'll try to work on that.....
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 4/25/13 at 3:31 pm to
ETA before Wiki sends me naked pictures.
This post was edited on 4/25/13 at 3:39 pm
Posted by WikiTiger
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 4/25/13 at 3:31 pm to
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Ad hominem and appeal to authority, All in one sentence.


But it makes him look cool in front of his buddies, all of whom argue a soft "science."

Economists are all full of shite because the whole field is based on politics, opinion and bullshite. But hey, they love themselves, as apparent in this thread. Remember, they are "finance professionals."

Economics does not exist free of politics, but of course, when we argue politics and philosophy we get chided. There is only a spectrum of liberty, and most of them are heavy on the wrong side of that spectrum.

But we're the kooks.
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 4/25/13 at 3:32 pm to
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Economists are all full of shite because the whole field is based on politics, opinion and bullshite. But hey, they love themselves, as apparent in this thread. Remember, they are "finance professionals."


"Herp 87% of Economists make fun of bitcoin"

"Derp 87% of Economists failed to predict the financial crisis of 2007/2008"
Posted by WikiTiger
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 4/25/13 at 3:36 pm to
I also love that the go-to response about the Federal Reserve causing the Great Depression was that they "didn't do enough."



Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 4/25/13 at 3:37 pm to
Got it. Check your email in a few minutes.
Posted by WikiTiger
Member since Sep 2007
41055 posts
Posted on 4/25/13 at 3:38 pm to
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Milton Friedman: I've always been in favor of abolishing the Federal Reserve and substituting a machine program that would keep the quantity of money going up at a steady rate.


https://www.econlib.org/library/Columns/y2006/Friedmantranscript.html#para_52



Don't worry, though, Benny, Russian, Vols and Broke know better than old kooky Milton.
Posted by AUtigerNOLA
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 4/25/13 at 3:38 pm to
I'm just trying to figure out why you or the other undergrad would know more than people who actually work in the field. Instead of trying to label my comment as a fallacy or personal attack?
Posted by WikiTiger
Member since Sep 2007
41055 posts
Posted on 4/25/13 at 3:40 pm to
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I'm just trying to figure out why you or the other undergrad would know more than people who actually work in the field. Instead of trying to label my comment as a fallacy or personal attack?


I don't know more than those who work in the field. What I do know, however, is that economics is a soft science that is full of politics, opinion and bullshite, and can't be proven one way or the other. I argue my points, they argue theirs. It's all opinion.

The difference is that I argue for liberty, which I view as inherently moral and just. They argue against it.
Posted by Broke
AKA Buttercup
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 4/25/13 at 3:44 pm to
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I also love that the go-to response about the Federal Reserve causing the Great Depression was that they "didn't do enough."


I thought it was widely know and even Mellon admitted they didn't do enough. But hey, let the free markets........... right?
Posted by OFWHAP
Member since Sep 2007
5416 posts
Posted on 4/25/13 at 3:45 pm to
The Fed failed to act as the lender of last resort, which was its original mandate when created.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
135058 posts
Posted on 4/25/13 at 3:48 pm to
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which I view as inherently moral

You arguing morality is like fricking for virginity.
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 4/25/13 at 3:53 pm to
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you think the bitcoin hates are going to acknowledge the tech problems the world's largest options exchange had today?
No, we acknowledge that the trading systems are prone to malfunction. But we know that when they do malfunction there is some entity there to restore order with the assets to remedy any errors caused by the malfunctions. Those safeguards do not exist for Bitcoins or any of the exchanges that trade Bitcoins.

The CBOE and other major exchanges spend considerable amounts of time, money and human effort to develop contingency plans for when their systems malfunction because they know the system will malfunction at some point. Who is doing the same for Bitcoins?
Posted by Broke
AKA Buttercup
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 4/25/13 at 3:59 pm to
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Who is doing the same for Bitcoins?


Magic The Gathering biznitch.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 4/25/13 at 4:08 pm to
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Milton Friedman: I've always been in favor of abolishing the Federal Reserve and substituting a machine program that would keep the quantity of money going up at a steady rate.


quote:

Don't worry, though, Benny, Russian, Vols and Broke know better than old kooky Milton.



So one quote, taken out of context, from a 20 page interview, is proving your point....................How?
Posted by WikiTiger
Member since Sep 2007
41055 posts
Posted on 4/25/13 at 4:13 pm to
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So one quote, taken out of context, from a 20 page interview, is proving your point....................How?


Me and Milton might not agree fully (he seems to be ok with inflation), however, we do agree that the Federal Reserve is not necessary.

You guys seem to love your Nobel laureate economists.
Posted by BennyAndTheInkJets
Middle of a layover
Member since Nov 2010
5858 posts
Posted on 4/25/13 at 4:16 pm to
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Right, I'm a college student.

Cool, then I understand why you haven't figured out the true disconnect between theory and application. The Yale model made perfect sense when it came out and all the endowments adopted it. Then after '08 there were a lot of uncomfortable conversations between managers and endowments about why all these "uncorrelated" asset classes were somehow now correlated.
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You're assuming an awful lot.

No assumptions, if you spend your time in class trying to be a dick to your teacher then that's arrogance. It doesn't matter if you don't agree with them, take it with a grain of salt and ask useful questions, not sarcastic. All that does is make you look like a dick that hasn't spent a single day cutting his teeth in the business. There is a lot of fricked up shite that happens in this industry on a daily basis, but until you are actually in the business you know none of it. All you know is an outside observation that completely misinterprets what happens and ignores other factors.
Posted by Broke
AKA Buttercup
Member since Sep 2006
65457 posts
Posted on 4/25/13 at 4:21 pm to
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There is a lot of fricked up shite that happens in this industry on a daily basis, but until you are actually in the business you know none of it. All you know is an outside observation that completely misinterprets what happens and ignores other factors.


Golf, fricking clap.
Posted by BennyAndTheInkJets
Middle of a layover
Member since Nov 2010
5858 posts
Posted on 4/25/13 at 4:27 pm to
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Economists are all full of shite because the whole field is based on politics, opinion and bullshite. But hey, they love themselves, as apparent in this thread. Remember, they are "finance professionals."

Economics does not exist free of politics, but of course, when we argue politics and philosophy we get chided. There is only a spectrum of liberty, and most of them are heavy on the wrong side of that spectrum.

But we're the kooks.

How can you possibly say this, and follow it up with Milton Freidman's quote? Also, Milton wants steady 3% inflation that is much higher than what it has been in Bernanke's tenure. And yet you're arguing that this creates somehow more liberty? That would drastically take away the purchasing power of individuals compared to what it is now and that is somehow more liberty? Taking power away from someone that can change policy with changes in the well being of the population and puts it in the hands of a fricking machine is more liberty?
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I also love that the go-to response about the Federal Reserve causing the Great Depression was that they "didn't do enough."

Because they didn't. That's the truth. Almost every single economist will say that. Sorry you are ignoring what actually happened and argue your ideology all you want, its the truth.
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The difference is that I argue for liberty, which I view as inherently moral and just. They argue against it.

No, no we fricking don't. We're arguing that your thoughts of a society with more liberty may make sense in theory, but the second you actually have to apply it to real life it will create the opposite of what you want. Theory always makes sense until you actually have to make it happen.
This post was edited on 4/25/13 at 4:31 pm
Posted by WikiTiger
Member since Sep 2007
41055 posts
Posted on 4/25/13 at 4:32 pm to
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How can you possibly say this, and follow it up with Milton Freidman's quote?


Just pointing out that there are people most of you probably respect that also believe the Federal Reserve is unnecessary. Yet you make me out to be a kook for that.

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Also, Milton wants steady 3% inflation that is much higher than what it has been in Bernanke's tenure.


"Official" inflation figures are blatant lies. Real inflation is somewhere like 8-12%. And I don't agree with old Milton on inflation anyway.

This post was edited on 4/25/13 at 4:33 pm
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