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re: Questoin About Financial Advisor - Question for Janky on pg 3

Posted on 4/23/13 at 1:23 pm to
Posted by Janky
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Posted on 4/23/13 at 1:23 pm to
Yes, sorry. VTSMX is but that focused fund is not. I am getting all of these confused as I don't use any of them. Sorry for the confusion.
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Posted on 4/23/13 at 1:31 pm to
But you would not consider YACKX one because someone is actively trying to beat the index where as VTSMX is trying to stay on par with an index? Close?
Posted by Janky
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Posted on 4/23/13 at 1:36 pm to
Yes. For example that focused fund has a turnover of 279% while VTSMX has a turnover of 3%. The focused fund has a manager buying and selling a lot of stocks trying to generate returns.
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Posted on 4/23/13 at 1:42 pm to
Mother of God, I think I've learned something

Seriously, thanks for the help.

Do you recommend a good investing book for someone like me, obviously learning from the bottom up?
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Posted on 4/23/13 at 1:52 pm to
No problem. I am not sure about good educational books, but I do like Rick Edelman's book, the lies about money.
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Posted on 4/23/13 at 1:55 pm to
shite, I'm still confused on something.

Can you tell me again why YACKX is not an index mutual fund but VSTMX is? I promise I'll leave you alone.
Posted by Janky
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Posted on 4/23/13 at 2:04 pm to
I bet the low turnover on YACKX is what confused you. Donald Yacktman believes in buying good companies and holding them for a long time, thus the low turnover. However, his goal is to beat the index benchmark. He is not trying to mirror the index with his holdings. VTSMX basically is just a mirror of its index. Here is an offical definition:

A type of mutual fund with a portfolio constructed to match or track the components of a market index, such as the Standard & Poor's 500 Index (S&P 500). An index mutual fund is said to provide broad market exposure, low operating expenses and low portfolio turnover.
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Posted on 4/23/13 at 9:03 pm to
Start Here.

I would highly suggest going to Investopedia.com and looking up every term that you do not understand. As you come across another term, look it up as well. I'm not trying to be a smartass, but this is the best thing you can do to educate yourself efficiently and effectively.
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Posted on 6/14/13 at 8:27 am to
Janky, I'm looking at YACKX on Fidelity's website and there's a $75 fee. Can you explain what this is? If I only invest the minimum $500 now, and more later, will I pay that fee every time?
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Posted on 6/14/13 at 8:31 am to
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Janky, I'm looking at YACKX on Fidelity's website and there's a $75 fee. Can you explain what this is? If I only invest the minimum $500 now, and more later, will I pay that fee every time?


Hmmm. That might be a fidelity fee I would guess. Honestly, I would call fidelity and ask them. My clients do not pay a $75 fee when I buy YACKX. I will try to do a little research and get back to you.

Update: On the fidelity website:

Transaction Fee (Online) $75.00

This makes me think it is a fidelity fee. I would assume any purchases going forward would be charged this fee. The fee may be waived if future purchases are a systematic monthly transaction. Again, I would call Fidelity.
This post was edited on 6/14/13 at 8:35 am
Posted by CQQ
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Posted on 6/14/13 at 8:45 am to
Ok, I'll do that. If that's the case, I'd be better off looking at something else, no?

Update: I did an online chat and they confirmed that I will pay that every time I make a purchase into that fund.
This post was edited on 6/14/13 at 8:47 am
Posted by Janky
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Posted on 6/14/13 at 8:48 am to
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Ok, I'll do that. If that's the case, I'd be better off looking at something else, no?

Update: I did an online chat and they confirmed that I will pay that every time I make a purchase into that fund.


It depends on how much you are investing each time. If it is small amount it may not be worth it, or you can just save up and make fewer but larger purchases. I think if you do automatic transactions into this fund on a monthly basis then the charge drops to $5.
Posted by CQQ
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Posted on 6/14/13 at 8:51 am to
quote:

I think if you do automatic transactions into this fund on a monthly basis then the charge drops to $5.


Do you see this somewhere on the website?
Posted by Janky
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Posted on 6/14/13 at 9:07 am to
quote:

Do you see this somewhere on the website?


No, I found on this morningstar forum:

It is $75 for each additional investment.
But the fees is reduced to $5 if you setup an AIP.

Not sure if it is true but a number of people mentinoed it. Here is the link.

Morningstar

Posted by CQQ
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Posted on 6/14/13 at 9:29 am to
What is the difference between YACKX and YAFFX? I notice there is no fee on YAFFX and I saw it mentioned in your link.

quote:

As per syacktmann ,they were planning to restrict the flow into YACKX and keep only YAFFX open
This post was edited on 6/14/13 at 9:31 am
Posted by Janky
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Posted on 6/14/13 at 9:44 am to
Doesn't appear to be much difference. The holdings are the same just weighted a little different. A lot of times if a fund is getting to big for the manager they will start a new fund that mirrors the old one. Maybe that is what happened here.
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Posted on 6/14/13 at 9:52 am to
Would you recommend going that route if at first I will be adding smaller amounts gradually?
Posted by Janky
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Posted on 6/14/13 at 9:55 am to
yes
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