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Was Jackie Robinson actually really good at baseball?
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:00 am
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:00 am
Or was he average and is just celebrated for being the first black man in MLB? (amazing thing)
Also, I heard he was not technically the first black guy in the majors. Heard there were others before him that were Latin American but were allowed to play because they weren't African American and they spoke Spanish.
Just curious since today is the anniversary of him taking the field for Brooklyn and that movie is coming out.
ETA:
This is not a flame or a troll, I am a history nerd and know good and well how much history we learn today is "revisionist".
Also, I heard he was not technically the first black guy in the majors. Heard there were others before him that were Latin American but were allowed to play because they weren't African American and they spoke Spanish.
Just curious since today is the anniversary of him taking the field for Brooklyn and that movie is coming out.
ETA:
This is not a flame or a troll, I am a history nerd and know good and well how much history we learn today is "revisionist".
This post was edited on 4/15/13 at 9:05 am
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Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:01 am to TheCaterpillar
How many times did he steal home?
ETA: Just Googled - answer is 19.
ETA: Just Googled - answer is 19.
This post was edited on 4/15/13 at 9:05 am
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:04 am to TheCaterpillar
Not sure if serious
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:04 am to TheCaterpillar
He was really good, but had a short career. Maybe not an elite player (Top 10 in the league), but he was very good.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:05 am to TheCaterpillar
He's actually underrated. Jackie Robinson gets reduced to a Symbol, when he really was one of the greatest players ever, based purely on play on the field.
And MLB was integrated when it first started, and didn't become segregated until Cap Anson threw his weight around to exclude black people around the turn of the century. Rule of thumb, any player described as an Indian (not the team, but racially), was probably a light-skinned black guy breaking the ban.
And MLB was integrated when it first started, and didn't become segregated until Cap Anson threw his weight around to exclude black people around the turn of the century. Rule of thumb, any player described as an Indian (not the team, but racially), was probably a light-skinned black guy breaking the ban.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:05 am to TheCaterpillar
Yeah...he was good. Very good.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:05 am to Tiger in NY
quote:
He was really good, but had a short career. Maybe not an elite player (Top 10 in the league), but he was very good.
Thanks!
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:06 am to TheCaterpillar
quote:
This is not a flame or a troll
Yes it is.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:06 am to Baloo
quote:
He's actually underrated. Jackie Robinson gets reduced to a Symbol, when he really was one of the greatest players ever, based purely on play on the field.
And MLB was integrated when it first started, and didn't become segregated until Cap Anson threw his weight around to exclude black people around the turn of the century. Rule of thumb, any player described as an Indian (not the team, but racially), was probably a light-skinned black guy breaking the ban.
quote:
Baloo
You were the poster I had in mind when making this thread. Thanks bud
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:07 am to slutiger5
quote:
This is not a flame or a troll
Yes it is.
No its not. I am just curious because I like history and want to know more about the TRUE story before I see that movie. Get the sand out of your vagina.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:08 am to TheCaterpillar
yes, he was really good.
He didn't get to the majors til he was 28. He won a batting title, led the league in SBs twice, and won an MVP as well as leading his team (that had 1 pennant in the previous 25 years) to 6 pennants in his 10 years including the franchises first ever WS title.
Was he the greatest that ever played? No, but he was a career .300 hitter, a gold glove caliber fielder, and did it all with death threats hanging over him every day.
He didn't get to the majors til he was 28. He won a batting title, led the league in SBs twice, and won an MVP as well as leading his team (that had 1 pennant in the previous 25 years) to 6 pennants in his 10 years including the franchises first ever WS title.
Was he the greatest that ever played? No, but he was a career .300 hitter, a gold glove caliber fielder, and did it all with death threats hanging over him every day.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:08 am to TheCaterpillar
He was a solid player for his time. Excellent baserunner and hit for average. Also remember he was 28 years old before he played hid first game.
That being said, I dont even think he was the most talented black ballplayer at the time. He was chosen because he carried himself very well. Satchel Paige and Josh Gibson were probably better players. Shouldn't take away from anything Jackie did, though. Just the way things were.
That being said, I dont even think he was the most talented black ballplayer at the time. He was chosen because he carried himself very well. Satchel Paige and Josh Gibson were probably better players. Shouldn't take away from anything Jackie did, though. Just the way things were.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:10 am to tmc94
quote:
He didn't get to the majors til he was 28. He won a batting title, led the league in SBs twice, and won an MVP as well as leading his team (that had 1 pennant in the previous 25 years) to 6 pennants in his 10 years including the franchises first ever WS title.
Damnnn son.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:11 am to TheCaterpillar
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:11 am to TheCaterpillar
Great athlete - first 4 sports letterman at UCLA...football, baseball, basketball and track.
UCLA -
Won the NCAA long jump - track
Led the league in scoring - basketball
All-American - football
A .097 batting average - baseball
So, he obviously got better but people have long said it was his worst sport.
UCLA -
Won the NCAA long jump - track
Led the league in scoring - basketball
All-American - football
A .097 batting average - baseball
So, he obviously got better but people have long said it was his worst sport.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:12 am to Zamoro10
quote:
UCLA -
Won the NCAA long jump - track
Led the league in scoring - basketball
All-American - football
Daaaaamn
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:15 am to elprez00
Here are his stats. He played for 10 years, and like someone else said, he started when he was 28.
Games played- 1382
PA- 5804
AB- 4877
Runs- 947
Hits- 1518
2B- 273
3B- 54
HR- 137
RBI- 734
SB- 197
BB- 740
SO- 291
Average- .311
OBP- .409
SLG- .474
OPS- .883
OPS+- 132
TB- 2310
Games played- 1382
PA- 5804
AB- 4877
Runs- 947
Hits- 1518
2B- 273
3B- 54
HR- 137
RBI- 734
SB- 197
BB- 740
SO- 291
Average- .311
OBP- .409
SLG- .474
OPS- .883
OPS+- 132
TB- 2310
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:17 am to tmc94
quote:
He didn't get to the majors til he was 28. He won a batting title, led the league in SBs twice, and won an MVP as well as leading his team (that had 1 pennant in the previous 25 years) to 6 pennants in his 10 years including the franchises first ever WS title. Was he the greatest that ever played? No, but he was a career .300 hitter, a gold glove caliber fielder, and did it all with death threats hanging over him every day.
This is about the best way to describe him...WELL SAID.............
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:32 am to elprez00
quote:
That being said, I dont even think he was the most talented black ballplayer at the time. He was chosen because he carried himself very well. Satchel Paige and Josh Gibson were probably better players. Shouldn't take away from anything Jackie did, though. Just the way things were.
Both of those guys were deep into their 30s, though.
I have heard that Jackie wasn't the best black baseball player at the time, but I'd like to know who was better than him at 28 or under. Anybody?
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:37 am to GarmischTiger
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How many times did he steal...
racist
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