re: Beverly Hills Cop, Coming to America, Trading Places, 48 hrs...

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Unpopular opinion: Eddie Murphy is wildly overrated as a standup.

Murphy is a great comedic actor, one of the best, but he's reliant on the quality of his writing room. And once he stopped relying on his writers and started thinking he was a great writer himself... bad things happened. He's also kinda famous for being difficult to work with, which made his fall more rapid, as people weren't really willing to help him out in the business. There was some people enjoying his fall.

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did you not enjoy Raw and Delirious? just curious b/c i value your pop culture opinion.

imo they're two of the greatest comedy specials ever. he moves seamlessly from talkign about pop culture to women and sex to doing material on his family. and while some may say he's just either a rip off or natural progression from red foxx/pryor he really did most of it (well delirious especially)before the 80's stand up boom.

i'd listen to any argument stating that his other stuff outside of those two specials was above average and not great though. so if that's the basis for overrated i'd understand.

i'd probably put him in the latter of my top ten as a standup but there are people that put him just below carlin and pryor. so if he's overrated in that respect i agree but overall he was the first real "superstar/rockstar" of stand ups.

i do know, baloo, that we do agree on lenny bruce. so we have that i guess.