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Is it really that much more government for them to say that gays can get married?

how do they do this, though?

marriage is a state-based institution. the only way to declare gay marriage is OK nationally is to declare gays a suspect class and offer them all sorts of other federal protections that come along with that. that = more government

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That's like saying allowing interracial marriages required "more government"

it did

the civil rights act and expansion of the due process clause are clear examples of increasing federal government






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Powerman
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Thanks for proving my point about your thread.


I didn't prove anything other than you're claiming opposition based on some random singular event.

And it shouldn't matter how much in your face people are. Either you think they should get married or you don't.

I can be an a-hole to progressives. Does that make you want to support progressive politics just for the sake of opposing me?






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tigersaint26
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What is the "conservative" obsession with gay marriage?


Conservatives are Republicans usually. Big part of Republican base are church goers. Church goers think it is a sin and marriage is between a man and a woman. Not that hard to figure out.

I just think you wanted some more attention by making a new thread. This topic has been hashed out ad nauseum so we all know what each side will say. No need for this thread.






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Sid in Lakeshore
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Because it will further destabilize the institution upon which every single successful civilization has ever been based?




Red herring much?

It's a non-issue that mobilizes the Conservative base as well as the Liberal base. It gives our electorate something to squabble over as we ignore the really important issues that are facing our country.

It's fricking ridiculous.






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Revelator
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Doesn't change your life one bit.



It changes all of society

LINKhttp://www.tfpstudentaction.org/politically-incorrect/homosexuality/10-reasons-why-homosexual-marriage-is-harmful-and-must-be-opposed.html






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Wouldn't that definition make you a big government liberal for wanting to force your morality on others?



Since our inception, marriage between a man and woman has always been recognized by the gov. Gay unions have not. So in this instance, it is the gay community that is forcing their morals on society and not visa versa. Painting it any other way is disingenuous.






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Powerman
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Conservatives are Republicans usually. Big part of Republican base are church goers. Church goers think it is a sin and marriage is between a man and a woman. Not that hard to figure out.

Right

But why even claim to be conservative if you're trying to legislate religious morality on the masses?

Where does it stop? Ban sex toys? Alcohol?






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Powerman
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it did

Well were you opposed to allowing interracial marriages based on the fact that it required more government?

Disallowing activities also requires some government right?






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Tiguar
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Republicans are wrong on this issue and should have attacked it from Rand's perspective from the start IMO.





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CollegeFBRules
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I didn't prove anything other than you're claiming opposition based on some random singular event.


You've proven that you're perfectly capable of ignoring all history of opinions espoused by someone to latch onto one point and extrapolate it. You've also demonstrated the inability to discern when people frick with others when they choose to act like a militant on something, ask for tolerance, and then refuse to hold rational discussions with others.

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And it shouldn't matter how much in your face people are. Either you think they should get married or you don't.


Thanks, Gandhi. Maybe one day I'll evaluate where I stand on this issue and make a decision of where I stand because you started this thread. This is truly new ground you're breaking on this board with a discussion on gay marriage.

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I can be an a-hole to progressives.


I know you can be an a-hole to everyone, but your pet project of late is trying to call out conservatives on this board. Sometimes you have a good point in doing it, but most of the time you just want to argue against the majority. You're a real rebel.

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Does that make you want to support progressive politics just for the sake of opposing me?


Nah, man, I just feel like telling you that you're become CarrolltonTiger really quickly...being a complete prick for usually no good reason.

And, yes, I know I'm an a-hole to you regularly now. Save your fingers from typing it. You've become a real troll.



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Tigerlaff
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I long for the day that religious fundamentalism of the sort you linked is dead. It decreases every year, just not fast enough.





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Powerman
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I know you can be an a-hole to everyone, but you're pet project of late is trying to call out conservatives on this board. Sometimes you have a good point in doing it, but most of the time you just want to argue against the majority. You're a real rebel.


I'm really just trying to understand the complete obsession with homosexuality.

It's like it is all of a sudden the most important thing to the religious right. There are plenty of other moral issues that they could talk about. But they're obsessed with gays.






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should have attacked it from Rand's perspective from the start IMO.


Correct.






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CollegeFBRules
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I'm really just trying to understand the complete obsession with homosexuality.

It's like it is all of a sudden the most important thing to the religious right. There are plenty of other moral issues that they could talk about. But they're obsessed with gays.


Do you really want to understand it or do you just want to rail against it? It's a dying opinion, literally. Old people to whom concept is new are dying, young people overwhelmingly support it. Gay marriage or civil unions are coming, and that's a good thing.

I can't stand the extremism on either side of the issue.






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Well were you opposed to allowing interracial marriages based on the fact that it required more government?

i wasn't alive

the solution is less government, which is removing government from marriage. then there can't be public discrimination

within the framework of what we have today, the only way to achieve this equality is through more government

this isn't a question of what i want or don't want in terms of gay/interracial marriage. that's an emotional argument and i'm much more concerned with the rational argument about federal expansion

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Disallowing activities also requires some government right?

the oversight/investigating aspect does






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I long for the day that religious fundamentalism of the sort you linked is dead. It decreases every year, just not fast enough.



Do you deny that any of the 10 points raised by this fundamentalist are legitimate concerns?






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Powerman
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It's a dying opinion, literally. Old people to whom concept is new are dying, young people overwhelmingly support it. Gay marriage or civil unions are coming, and that's a good thing.

Agreed

Although, I'm not sure it's only old people.

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I can't stand the extremism on either side of the issue.


Right. I'm not a huge fan of Toddy since he makes just about everything about gay issues. I get that.

But when straight people are talking about gay marriage as much as gay people, one has to wonder where their priorities really are.






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Powerman
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Do you deny that any of the 10 points raised by this fundamentalist are legitimate concerns?


I disagree at least partially with all 10 of them in some capacity






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RhodeIslandRed
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How will it "destabilize" straight marriages? Are more people going to get divorced when gays are allowed to be married?


If you ask such a question then your are surely too stupid to ever understand the answer.






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Revelator
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It's like it is all of a sudden the most important thing to the religious right. There are plenty of other moral issues that they could talk about. But they're obsessed with gays.



Obviously because the case for gay marriage has worked it's way to the Supreme Court and this is a radical and monumental shift away from traditional norms if passed. Plus the affects it brings to the society will be clear and lasting. How could we not be concerned about its resolution?






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