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Ideal Pelicans First Offseason 2013

Posted on 3/19/13 at 2:48 pm
Posted by drake20
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 3/19/13 at 2:48 pm
Looking for some offseason discussion this afternoon...All of us have different opinions about what the team's weaknesses are--from PG to SF to C, even SG.

I'm going to assume that Monty Williams and Eric Gordon will be back next season. Monty did just receive an extension, so I don't think he will be fired....A healthy Eric Gordon still gives this team its best chance at being very good relatively soon. We don't have much reason to believe he can do it, but that good scorer (15-20 PPG) for most or all of the season would go a long way. Also, we gave him a big contract of his own, and it will not be easy to trade him with more injury problems, the excessive contract, and his underwhelming performance on the court.

Monty likes defense. Whether or not he puts a good D on the court is another matter. However, that fact paired with Monty's recent comments about lacking perimeter D makes me think that we will draft a 1,2, or 3 (more likely 1 or 3) with a good defensive reputation. As corndeaux has been saying, this team has been pretty good offensively with Gordon. It's the defense that has been terrible.

The Hornets are closing in on a top 5 pick. With the above said, I think the team is very likely to select one of these players:

Marcus Smart
Otto Porter
Shabazz Muhammad
Victor Oladipo (could play SF)

I don't think Nerlens Noel will be the pick. I agree that he and Davis are redundant. Also, while I don't think anyone thinks the ACL will be a big deal, it might be a concern for the Hornets who already have injury worries with Gordon.

From what I've read, Marcus Smart could play PG and/or SG and Oladipo could play SG and/or SF---making them solid players that can play positions of need (PG or SF). I don't think McLemore will be available when we pick, and from what I've seen, he is strictly a SG (not what the team is looking for, imo). Obviously, if the team rates McLemore way above the other prospects and he is available, they should take their BPA.

I perceive the weaknesses on the team to be at PG and SF. The center position is satisfactory for the near future, imo.

Point Guard:

Vasquez CAN be a starting point guard in the league. He is a great passer and average scorer for a PG. Plays sometimes die when he has the ball and he can force some shots, but that is a product of this team and season, imo. With Gordon out, he is the only player on the team that can create his own shot and is forced to do too much. He can be even better offensively if he can be more of a complementary player (Occasional pick-and-rolls; more spot-up shooting. He will need to keep improving 3PT%).

Defensively, Vasquez is a liability. Recent quotes from Monty stated that the perimeter D has been bad, and that the bigs' D has looked worse than it is because of this. In large part here, he must be talking about Vasquez. Gordon and Aminu are solid perimeter defenders.

Those comments, along with Dell's raving about Oladipo?, make me think that Smart or Oladipo could very well be Pelicans come June 27.

Past Vasquez, the team needs to add another backup PG/combo guard via the draft or free agency. I think Roberts will be kept on as a fifth guard.

Shooting Guard:

Leave this position alone.

As I said, I'm gonna assume Gordon is back and healthy in my ideal scenario. He'll be the starting SG of course, and is more than capable offensively and defensively when all is well.

Rivers is gonna be a primary backup guard, imo. Jester was saying he hasn't earned the backup spot, and they are training him to be a PG. That may be true, but he is still more of a SG to me (I see him being the first 2 on the reserve unit). What position he plays isn't very important though. What is significant is that he will be one of the first guards off the bench. While his rookie season was disappointing, Rivers made improvements. He was shooting much better percentages before he got hurt, and I think we all were impressed with his defense. He's the tenth pick. We haven't seen enough bad to relegate him to the end of the bench and garbage time for next season, imo (there was a lot of bad though ).

Adding a PG/combo guard is a must this offseason to cover for Rivers if he can't cut it.

Small Forward:

Worst position on the team...Ryan Anderson is not a SF.

I've been a fan of Aminu, and I'm not against keeping him around for the right price. His defense and energy have been welcome, but his extreme offensive ineptitude doesn't work (at least not on this team as of now). He's better than Ariza at a fraction of the cost, but he should be a backup.

His rebounding is nice, but it's overrated. Being able to knock down a jump shot is a much more valuable trait for a SF.

Darius Miller is a second round pick who hasn't done much, with a few exceptions. Until I see significant evidence to the contrary, I'm gonna assume he's an end of the bench/D-league player next season.

I love Lance Thomas--great guy. I met him once. :csb: He's a tweener that doesn't really work at SF or PF--another end of the bench/D-league guy.

Adding another player at this position is a must, imo. Porter, Oladipo, and Muhammad(my favorite) could all fit the bill.

Power Forward:

Leave this position alone.

Hopefully, Anthony Davis a starter down low for the next 17 years....not much else to say. He's doing big things in most major categories, especially PER. Give him some minutes, Monty! The sky is the limit.

Anderson is a great shooter at the PF position. Great asset to have and fun for the fans. He should continue getting 30+ MPG, and we should not trade him. If he's our permanent sixth man, so be it, but we should keep this guy.

I think he and Davis can eventually start together, alleviating some of this problem of having two of our best players at one position. A lot of you disagree with me here, but I think it's the best way to maximize talent without having to seriously consider trading Ryno. If Davis and Ryno can't play anywhere but PF, I think there will be a minutes/not having your best players on the court problem there.

Jason Smith can play both PF and C. He's solid.

Center:

Leave this position alone.

Robin Lopez is a pretty polarizing player, along with Vasquez, in regards to his ability as a starter. He's very skilled offensively. He's 13th in PPG among centers(#5 FG% of those players) in way less MPG.

Again, defense is the problem here. He's slow and struggles mightily with pick-and-roll D. It's a trade-off a lot of the time though. We want a center with size/girth to deal with the Bynums/Howards of the world, but at the same time, we want a center that can move and defend the pick-and-roll. Having both attributes is not very common. The players that have both are the best centers in the league.

Lopez is a bad rebounder. I have a few questions here:

Can he improve in this area significantly? He is still a young player at a position where players often mature slowly.

When he is failing to grab rebounds, is the man he's supposed to be boxing out getting them? Is he in good position/fundamentally sound and just not finishing the play, or is he just horrible all-around in this department?

Lopez has a great contract that he is outperforming, and he's a guy that we can play 20-25 MPG as a productive starter. This low-minute production allows Anthony Davis positional flexibility for the future. Signing a big-name center would eliminate this flexibility. He's a good shot-blocker, and his size makes him disruptive at the rim. His offensive skill and size outweigh his lateral slowness, imo(many centers struggle with this).










This post was edited on 3/19/13 at 3:44 pm
Posted by drake20
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
13123 posts
Posted on 3/19/13 at 2:49 pm to
I'm not against getting a more mobile/athletic center in the future(if Davis can't work), but for next season, I like Lopez.

Davis can play some here. Smith will play some here. Amundson has looked pretty good in limited action--could be a solid end of the bench big.


If we draft Smart, i'd be interested in bringing in two of these free agents or one to pair with Aminu:

Corey Brewer
Dorell Wright
Chase Budinger
Chris Copeland

If we draft Porter, Shabazz, or Oladipo, I'd like these guys to help out at the guard positions:

Tyreke Evans
Jeff Teague
Darren Collison
Mo Williams
Isaiah Thomas
Toney Douglas
Nate Robinson


...Pekovic would probably be the best option at C, but I'd rather not go after him. I would love to find a way to get Wilson Chandler.

Chris Paul, Brandon Jennings, Iguodala, Howard, Bynum, and Jefferson would be some bigger splashes.

What do y'all think? What would be your ideal situation going into the 2013-14 season as Pelicans?(somewhat realistically).

In this offseason, we will sell out of season tickets (for GrandeBeli).

This is all my opinion. A lot of it has been discussed before--just wanted to post some thoughts.

TL;DR
This post was edited on 3/19/13 at 9:53 pm
Posted by CQQ
Member since Feb 2006
17048 posts
Posted on 3/19/13 at 3:19 pm to
Damn good write up. I can't wait for the draft because it's really going to show which direction we are going (Aminu vs. draft pick or GV vs. draft pick) and will ultimately determine which direction we go in FA. Assuming we get the 3rd/4th/5th pick, I'd like Porter more than Shabazz. I'm curious why you wouldn't want Pekovic. Dude is a beast and Minny already said they weren't paying him. Lopez is not a starting center in this league, although he would be a great back up. A front court of Pek/AD/Ryan/Smith/Lopez would be one of the best in the league. Porter/Aminu would have potential to be a great combination as would Gordon/Rivers.
Posted by WhoDatPelican596
Little Rock
Member since Jan 2013
783 posts
Posted on 3/19/13 at 3:37 pm to
Vasquez CANNOT be a starting PG in this league. Not for us, and not for any of the other 29 teams. I like him as a person for his work ethic. But its a Tim Tebow type situation. Hard worker, loves where he plays and loves his team, but sucks at his position. Tebow isn't a good QB, Vasquez isn't a good PG. If you stop being blinded by a good stat line and actually watch how he plays, you'll see how poor he is.
Posted by JohnZeroQ
Pelicans of Lafourche
Member since Jan 2012
8514 posts
Posted on 3/19/13 at 3:43 pm to
Keep General unless something sure fire way better comes along.
Please dump Gordon.
If a guy like Pek-o-Vich is there and we can get him, Id take that.

I hope Otto Porter is available.

1st season as Pelicans should give us a ton to talk about. Hopefully wins follow
Posted by OldSouth
Folsom, LA
Member since Oct 2011
10943 posts
Posted on 3/19/13 at 4:08 pm to
Step 1. Change that stupid arse name.
Posted by BayouFann
CenLa
Member since Jun 2012
6873 posts
Posted on 3/19/13 at 4:21 pm to
quote:

Center:

Leave this position alone.


Posted by Fleur de Diable
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2010
978 posts
Posted on 3/19/13 at 4:53 pm to
quote:

Drake




Good shite man!.

As far as the offseason. I don't want us to rely on attracting a free agent. Not saying it won't happen. However, I want to focus on the draft. As many on the board have said, we need to acquire talent, irregardless of position. Fortunately for us, we need something everywhere, so we truly can do this. If I had a personal Big Board for the Pels it would look something like this:
1. Ben Mclemore
2.Victor Oladipo
3. Marcus Smart
4. Otto Porter
5. Nerlens Noel
6. Shabazz Muhammad
7. Anthony Bennett
8. Cody Zeller
9. Alex Len


Biggest question to me is Oladipo's actual measurements. I'd want him to play SF us, like you said, but he seems small. I don't think Mclemore's positional status would worry us. If anything it would sure up the backup back court.

Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
9833 posts
Posted on 3/19/13 at 7:46 pm to
Great re-cap.. I just want the team to win and make the playoffs next season. The team needs some vets to mold the young players and lead the way. They will need to take some chances and that might mean picking up some questionable contracts. I don't see any major free agents coming here, so my ideal off season includes..

1. Getting rid of Gordon. He is way overpaid now and the injuries make him too big of a gamble. I'd trade him to Indy straight up for Granger. Granger has been hurt too, so the trade makes sense for both sides. The Pelicans get a starting quality SF and Granger has an expiring contract (opening up a ton of cap space for 2014).

2. Get a major front court player to mentor Davis and help him grow. Anderson and Davis are not a good pair, they need more of a compliment. I'd trade Vasquez and Anderson for P. Gasol. Gasol is also an expiring contract and solves the Center position.

3. Draft/Sign an impact PG. My hope is that Smart is available, which would make this simple.

4. Sign a replacement for Gordon. I'd like them to take a one year flyer on a guy like K. Martin to mentor Rivers.

5. Pick up the option on Lopez.

We'd end up with a team of..

Smart/Roberts
Martin/Rivers
Granger/Miller
Davis/Smith
Gasol/Lopez

That's a playoff team with alot of youth and over 30 million in cap space for the 2014 season. They could re-sign a couple of the vets (for way lower contracts), add more youth and still get a super star level player. While keeping a core of Davis, Rivers and Smart.. win-win..
Posted by ebouillion
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2012
90 posts
Posted on 3/19/13 at 8:01 pm to
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This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 3:03 pm
Posted by LSU Shreddin
Denver
Member since Feb 2009
1426 posts
Posted on 3/19/13 at 11:38 pm to
Draft Otto Porter! The rest can fall into place.
Posted by MikeTheTiger2893
Member since Feb 2009
860 posts
Posted on 3/19/13 at 11:53 pm to
My ideal, dream offseason....

EG for Klay Thompson and Harrison Barnes

Ryan Anderson and Robin Lopez for Demarcus Cousins

(make the salaries work but keep the gist of the deals)

Smart/Vasquez
Thompson/Rivers
Barnes/Aminu
AD/Smith
Cousins/ Free Agent

Playoffs. Young core with immediately the best front court in the league.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61588 posts
Posted on 3/20/13 at 8:08 am to
There are reports of Derrick Rose and the Bulls having a rift. It's probably them pressuring him to play and him not feeling ready yet, but his brother did make those comments about not being happy no moves were made and Rose and Eric Gordon were AAU back court mates and supposedly Gordon's dream destination is to hook up with his BFF again.

Any takers for Deng and Chicago's 1st for Gordon? What about just Deng for Gordon?
This post was edited on 3/20/13 at 8:10 am
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