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la_birdman 
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| re: Can someone explain to me why I like starship troopers? (Posted on 3/19/13 at 1:17 am to Fox Mulder)
The FX are a little dated but it's still an awesome movie.
All the bugs running around, getting blown away and stuff.
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Froman
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| re: Can someone explain to me why I like starship troopers? (Posted on 3/19/13 at 1:27 am to la_birdman)
It's a pretty bad movie. One thing a lot of people forget is how inthe trailer they pretty much show you the end and I left the theater very underwhelmed. It's really a big screen version of a sci-fi channel movie which are fun to watch sometimes.
The book is fantastic, though. I wish the movie would have touched on the same themes.
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| re: Can someone explain to me why I like starship troopers? (Posted on 3/19/13 at 6:33 am to Fox Mulder)
Bugs killed my parents so I really relate to Rico's struggle.
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CocomoLSU 
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| re: Can someone explain to me why I like starship troopers? (Posted on 3/19/13 at 7:36 am to Xenophon)
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It's the only movie I've ever seen more than once in a theater. I saw it 4 times.
I saw it in theaters twice. Went one day with my buddy (we skipped class), and we liked it so much we skipped another class the next day and went saw it again. 
To the OP (FM), it's a fricking awesome movie...that's why you like it. It's the epirome of a mindless, over-the-top blockbuster-type movie. Everything is overdone on purpose, even the acting IMO (though there aren't "great" actors in it). It has blood, guts, violence, sex, tits, cheesiness, etc...it's a shitpile of awesome. The only thing it really went easy on was the language.
After this came out, and then Sleepy Hollow a couple years later, I figured CVD would be a fairly rising actor (not star), but he fizzled out with the quickness and ended up relegated to Starship Troopers 3. 
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udtiger
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| re: Can someone explain to me why I like starship troopers? (Posted on 3/19/13 at 7:43 am to Breesus)
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I laugh out loud at Denise Richards in that movie. "I'm going to be a pilot!" yeah ok. Least believable line ever.
Hell, she became a nuclear scientist, so pilot is not out of the question.
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CocomoLSU
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| re: Can someone explain to me why I like starship troopers? (Posted on 3/19/13 at 7:49 am to udtiger)
Really the only thing that bothers me about this movie is when she's backing out the giant ship for the first time, there's clearly not enough room for the ship to clear the station, but then like two seconds later it's exiting at a whole other angle and it's fine. I'm not even sure why, but that bothered the shite out of me.
Oh, and Jeff fricking Hunter. Instantly hated that dude for obvious reasons. I guess fricking over Zack Morris wasn't good enough, so he had to frick over Rico too. What a cock.
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Ace Midnight
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| re: Can someone explain to me why I like starship troopers? (Posted on 3/19/13 at 7:51 am to Fox Mulder)
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I just can't figure it out
It's popcorn and fairly well done. How much stuff has Clancy Brown done that's been bad?
Do I watch it over and over? No. Is it a decent action flick based on classic, foundational SciFi (I mean, Heinlein - how much better can you get?)? Yeah.
The other thing - occasionally it backfires when Hollywood talks down to the audience - just like Patton, fans of Starship Troopers have, generally, the opposite take than what the director intended, in both cases extolling the virtues of warriors, as opposed to the director's intended anti-war message.
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| re: Can someone explain to me why I like starship troopers? (Posted on 3/19/13 at 7:53 am to CocomoLSU)
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I guess fricking over Zack Morris wasn't good enough, so he had to frick over Rico too. What a cock
Hahaha, i have always felt the same way.
frickin Jeff
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CocomoLSU
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| re: Can someone explain to me why I like starship troopers? (Posted on 3/19/13 at 7:56 am to Ace Midnight)
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The other thing - occasionally it backfires when Hollywood talks down to the audience - just like Patton, fans of Starship Troopers have, generally, the opposite take than what the director intended, in both cases extolling the virtues of warriors, as opposed to the director's intended anti-war message.
Right. The whole movie is a satire, and is meant to be anti-war, like you said. But it ends up just being a "Rah rah, let's go 'Merica" kind of movie. I can guarantee you I love the movie for all of the reasons the director doesn't want me to.
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Ace Midnight
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| re: Can someone explain to me why I like starship troopers? (Posted on 3/19/13 at 8:02 am to CocomoLSU)
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Right. The whole movie is a satire, and is meant to be anti-war, like you said. But it ends up just being a "Rah rah, let's go 'Merica" kind of movie. I can guarantee you I love the movie for all of the reasons the director doesn't want me to.
Me, too.
About the only writer/director I would see eye-to-eye with is Milius.
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Freauxzen 
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| re: Can someone explain to me why I like starship troopers? (Posted on 3/19/13 at 8:07 am to Ace Midnight)
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I just can't figure it out
Because it's actually a somewhat smart film wrapped in a giant bug alien movie with explosions.
In short, it's awesome.
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The other thing - occasionally it backfires when Hollywood talks down to the audience - just like Patton, fans of Starship Troopers have, generally, the opposite take than what the director intended, in both cases extolling the virtues of warriors, as opposed to the director's intended anti-war message
Bingo, and this is why the film flirts with brilliancy. I love it. I felt conflicted the entire time watching the film. To cheer or not to cheer?
It also doesn't take itself seriously, in effect, although the message is quite strong.
It's a film with a lot of layers. Verhoeven can be a great director when he wants to be.
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Freauxzen
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| re: Can someone explain to me why I like starship troopers? (Posted on 3/19/13 at 8:10 am to CocomoLSU)
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Right. The whole movie is a satire, and is meant to be anti-war, like you said. But it ends up just being a "Rah rah, let's go 'Merica" kind of movie. I can guarantee you I love the movie for all of the reasons the director doesn't want me to.
And it CAN be enjoyed that way. It's also anti-war, anti-propaganda, it's a critique on science fiction and media, on colonialism and foreign relations, on the military, etc.
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CocomoLSU
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| re: Can someone explain to me why I like starship troopers? (Posted on 3/19/13 at 8:12 am to Freauxzen)
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Bingo, and this is why the film flirts with brilliancy. I love it. I felt conflicted the entire time watching the film. To cheer or not to cheer?
It also doesn't take itself seriously, in effect, although the message is quite strong.
Agreed. It's supposed to be over the top and stupid (to a point) because it's supposed to be showing everyone how mindless, bloody, etc. war (and America in a lot of ways) can be. But it's the same "hyperbole-ness" that makes it so good. They show people getting slaughtered, show scientists mutilating the enemy (even though the enemy isn't human, they're sentient), hell..even show kids "killing the enemy" when they're stepping on the bugs in the street, and then asks "Would you like to know more?" It does all that shite to drive the point home, but in effect we DO actually want to know more because that stuff is cool and awesome. As happy Gilmore would say, "Talk about your all time backfires.."
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Freauxzen
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| re: Can someone explain to me why I like starship troopers? (Posted on 3/19/13 at 8:16 am to CocomoLSU)
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Agreed. It's supposed to be over the top and stupid (to a point) because it's supposed to be showing everyone how mindless, bloody, etc. war (and America in a lot of ways) can be. But it's the same "hyperbole-ness" that makes it so good. They show people getting slaughtered, show scientists mutilating the enemy (even though the enemy isn't human, they're sentient), hell..even show kids "killing the enemy" when they're stepping on the bugs in the street
Exactly, add "it's a warning to culture" to my list.
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and then asks "Would you like to know more?"
And fairly predictive. We're 10 years out or less from watching the nightly news with the ability to "know more," at the click of a button.
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Springfield XD
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| re: Can someone explain to me why I like starship troopers? (Posted on 3/19/13 at 8:18 am to Freauxzen)
The film may accomplish all the high-minded stuff you guys say it does, but if so, it's coincidence.
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elprez00 
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| re: Can someone explain to me why I like starship troopers? (Posted on 3/19/13 at 8:19 am to Fox Mulder)
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But it has such awful performances by awful actors. And I love it. Don't know why
+1. I can't explain it either.
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elprez00
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| re: Can someone explain to me why I like starship troopers? (Posted on 3/19/13 at 8:20 am to Breesus)
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I'd bet flores is way better in bed than Carmen. Plus we all know fleet and infantry don't mix.
Heres a fun fact: In the Book, Flores is a dude. 
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MadMaxwell 
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| re: Can someone explain to me why I like starship troopers? (Posted on 3/19/13 at 8:22 am to Fox Mulder)
All I know is Michael Ironside is awesome in everything he's in, and this film may be the crown jewel on his career.
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Freauxzen
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| re: Can someone explain to me why I like starship troopers? (Posted on 3/19/13 at 8:31 am to Springfield XD)
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The film may accomplish all the high-minded stuff you guys say it does, but if so, it's coincidence.
No it really isn't:
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In the DVD commentary, Verhoeven states the film's message: "War makes fascists of us all." He evokes Nazi Germany—particularly through its use of fashion, iconography and propaganda—which he sees as a natural evolution of the post-World War II United States. "I've heard this film nicknamed All Quiet on the Final Frontier," he says, "which is actually not far from the truth." Edward Neumeier (who had previously worked with Verhoeven on RoboCop) broadly concurs, although he sees a satire on human history, rather than solely the United States. Since the filmmakers did not make these statements at the time of the film's release, viewers have interpreted it variously: as a satire, as a celebration of fascism or as a simple action film.[3]
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On the DVD commentary Verhoeven said I can tell you that the movie is in fact, in our opinion, stating that war makes fascists of us all.
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alajones
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| re: Can someone explain to me why I like starship troopers? (Posted on 3/19/13 at 8:35 am to Freauxzen)
I've always thought of it as action movie first and political satire second. It is clearly in there. I never thought of it as some grand message, but more like a little light heartedness to break up the movie in spots. It's hard to tell if the director really intended all the unintentional comedy or not.
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