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tehchampion140
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Hey old man. I'm impressed you could even remember things that happened yesterday.





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quail man
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you seem upset. you should back away from the keyboard for a bit.





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Weebie
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Ah, I forgot. Only coaches with winning records can have issues with horrible officiating or a rule that forces their best player to have to sit out of games


never said that. stop making stuff up.


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Also, please tell me what coaches would have a winning record with this roster over the last 2 years.


its not even about the overall record. my beef with Monty has been his coaching decisions during crunch time in winnable games from the very first season. (as stated above)












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Weebie
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you seem upset. you should back away from the keyboard for a bit.


this coming from the person who started the thread saying that the New York Knicks and Los Angeles Clippers should be contracted from the NBA.

you sir are the mad one. bitter too.

surely you were just joking around though right?






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tehchampion140
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my beef with Monty has been his coaching decisions during crunch time in winnable games from the very first season. (as stated above)

Fair enough complaint, but I think it also has to do with a lack of talent. Ryno is pretty much the only person he can rely on for a clutch shot this year with EG playing as poorly as he is, although he has gotten better. He also has positives that far outweigh the negatives. Players seem to enjoy playing for him and he's been able to do wonders for the careers of guys like Vasquez, Aminu, and Lopez. He seems to be able to get the most out of young players with potential, so I can see him developing a team of talented young players into a consistent playoff team.






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Weebie
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but I think it also has to do with a lack of talent.


true. however there have been countless bonehead coaching decisions throughout his entire career here that cannot be completely blamed on lack of talent. last season in particular his coaching decisions during winnable games was basically - "let Jarrett Jack dribble the ball and clock down and see what happens" - only to witness numerous air balls, blocked shots, and other classic Jarrett Jack choke artist moments. that's on coaching, not Jack.

I noticed you mentioned that Monty doesn't receive credit for the 46 win season with Chris Paul and its rightfully so that he doesn't receive credit for it. the Hornets were a 50ish win playoff team until the season that Paul missed nearly half the year due to his injury. then Paul gets healthy, Monty gets hired, and the Hornets again are a playoff team. Paul then leaves town and Monty is back to square one and hasn't made any improvements since. all the while Paul damn near single handily made the Clippers a playoff threat over night which is something Eric Gordon could never do.

Monty doesn't get credit for his first season because Chris Paul deserves that credit.






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quail man
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this coming from the person who started the thread saying that the New York Knicks and Los Angeles Clippers should be contracted from the NBA.


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surely you were just joking around though right?


nope. that's who i would cut. gave my reasons for it.







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Jester
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you're just being the front runner


You shouldn't use terms you don't know. It makes you look ignorant.






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Gtothemoney
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he's been able to do wonders for the careers of guys like Vasquez, Aminu, and Lopez


Wait, what?

Vasquez has improved mainly because of the amount of playing time he's gotten. As I said before, he was 09 ACC player of the year, 2nd team All American, and winner of The Bob Cousy award beating out #1 overall John Wall.

Lopez and Aminu are average players on a below average team. They've had flashes of good play this year, but to say Monty has done wonders with their careers is a stretch.






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quail man
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holy shit, do you people try your best to make up shite to NOT give monty credit for anything?

at the very least, Lopez has become a better shooter and passer since he's come to New Orleans. but i suppose that's just because he's on a shitty team, right?

and aminu's shooting and defense have improved since last season. but no, monty didn't do anything for that. it was all his nigerian coaches that helped him.






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Gtothemoney
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I said they have shown flashes. I think that the playing time they've gotten, albeit by default, is a big reason they've improved. I'll agree, I guess, Monty and his staff get some credit. But, I think we should grade Monty on his ability to put his team in the best possible situations to win. I think we all can agree that Monty has failed miserably in that department.





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Fearthehat0307
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I think we all can agree that Monty has failed miserably in that department
or is this his plan to build through the draft and he has succeeded greatly






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Gtothemoney
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or is this his plan to build through the draft and he has succeeded greatly


Is this the definition of tanking?






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Fearthehat0307
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Is this the definition of tanking?
you said it not me






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TigerinATL
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I think that the playing time they've gotten, albeit by default, is a big reason they've improved.


That certainly is a huge part of it, but Monty's reputation before coming here and the current results bear this out, is a coach who was able to get players to play within themselves. As strange as it sounds to us, apparently the average NBA player has problems realizing he sucks at certain aspects of the game. We've seen this with most players, even vets like Ariza started to play smarter with enough time under Monty.

Does that mean Monty's the guy that will take this team to a title? Probably not and I've said many times he needs to find his Tex Winter if he's going to stay long term. But he is the type of coach you want to have when you're developing players and winning games with superior coaching doesn't matter.

This team's playoff window is not today or even tomorrow. Unless Demps works some real off season magic or Gordon goes to Germany and gets some of Kobe's plasma injected in his knee and heart, next season will still probably not be a playoff year. I'm expecting 38-44 wins, just out of the playoffs unless everything goes perfectly. With as many young guys working on their games as we'll still have I think Monty is a good coach for that team too, no matter how infuriating his game management decisions can be.



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quail man
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As strange as it sounds to us, apparently the average NBA player has problems realizing he sucks at certain aspects of the game


you mean to tell me a bunch of overpaid, egoistic kids who have been at the top of their class of basketball players for their entire natural born lives don't realize they may have weaknesses?

LIES






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Gtothemoney
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With as many young guys working on their games as we'll still have I think Monty is a good coach for that team too, no matter how infuriating his game management decisions can be.


Sounds like a perfect job for an assistant coach. They can help develop players. When it comes to a head coach, I want one who can game plan and adjust to changes. Monty is consistently being out coached in those aspects.






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Gtothemoney
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you mean to tell me a bunch of overpaid, egoistic kids who have been at the top of their class of basketball players for their entire natural born lives don't realize they may have weaknesses?


I'll take who is Austin Rivers for 200 Alex



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TigerinATL
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Sounds like a perfect job for an assistant coach.


Phil Jackson says "count the number of rings Hall of Fame players and great assistants got me." You really need someone that can motivate the players and someone that can be a master strategist, and it doesn't really matter who's the head and who's the assistant. There aren't that many Popovich's running around so you're probably going to need to find 2 good coaches. I think the important question is does Monty realize this. He needs someone to tell him he sucks at certain things, maybe we can find a volunteer on HT



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quail man
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let's let sexecutioner do it..he seems to know what he's talking about. if it were up to him, the hornets would be out of timeouts by the end of the first quarter





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