re: Any other Star Trek:TOS fans hate the Abrams stuff?

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I liked the first movie - I didn't love it. I overlooked some of the stuff, but the basic chemistry was there, despite there being a Wolverine towering over everybody. After that - just unrecognizable Hollywood crap - those movies are the reason I really had to do some soul searching before I went to see Avengers. While I'm glad I gave it a shot, I see it as the exception, not the rule.

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I disliked xmen by in large because they made wolverine the central character. I only dabbled with the comic series as a kid and while wolverine certainly became popular...it was never Wolverine and the Xmen.

that was all Singer.

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the Kobayashi Maru sequence

Was terrible. Instead of it portraying how badly Kirk doesn't believe in no win scenarios, it was basically him acting like a punk and sticking it to Starfleet.

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How much exposition do you need, and when exactly do you need it? Before the test, McCoy and Kirk had a brief discussion about him taking the test a third time, with Kirk asking "Doesn't it bother you no one's ever passed the test?" and McCoy saying "No one passes it much less takes it multiple times", with an implied "you lunatic". Then during the trial shortly after the test where Star Fleet accuses Kirk of cheating, he said directly "I don't believe in no-win scenarios" and expressed his opinion that the test itself was the cheat.

As for the test itself, Kirk's behavior was perfectly believable for the 20-something cadet, and it was hilarious, as were the reactions of his crew. While everyone was exasperated with him, especially his crew, he expressed his exasperation with the test by showing his contempt for it by going rogue, making a farce of it, and winning the purposely unwinnable test. Yet despite his insubordination, by the end of the movie, he's awarded a medal and the Enterprise, and he's earned the respect and trust of his crew. IOW, he's Captain frickin' Kirk.

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As for the test itself, Kirk's behavior was perfectly believable for the 20-something cadet, and it was hilarious, as were the reactions of his crew. While everyone was exasperated with him, especially his crew, he expressed his exasperation with the test by showing his contempt for it by going rogue, making a farce of it, and winning the purposely unwinnable test.

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this.

The only problem I had with the scene was the glitch that made it obvious something was different with the test. They should of had it glitch free with Kirk eating the apple. THen later spock finds the hack to his software.

It's a fricking movie. The goal is always to make money.

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Not in a two hour movie. The problem here is in a tv series they have multiple episodes to develop characters. The reason you know kirk has swagger is we saw 100 plus episodes of exploring him...you can feature side characters in tv shows that you just cannot do in the movies.

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Frankly, I'm not impressed with this defense. LOTR was able to develop characters and remain faithful to the spirit of the source material - very rare for a feature film. And I don't mean all 12 hours of the extended editions of the 3 movies, I'm talking I was blown away by Fellowship.

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Frankly, television writing is way way better then movie writing anymore. The wife and I watch multiple television series but have little interest in movies online or rentals because movie writing has really fallen off a long way...too much dependence on cgi and the like to move plots.

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I wholeheartedly agree with this. If Abrams' or Bay's screenwriting teams woke up with 1/8 the talent of writers of Breaking Bad or Mad Men, they would die of utter shock.

ETA: Jackson, Whedon and the Coens seem to produce thoughtful scripts for the big screen.