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JohnnyKilroy
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It coke took the MrCarton formula, tested it, and saw it was a 100% copy of their formula, they couldn't prosecute that?



We need some more info to properly answer this question.

How did MrCarton obtain this formula? Legal means? Broke into coke's vault? Coercion?






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MrCarton
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Too bad the existence of intellectual property does not depend on your belief in it


Intellectual property is entirely dependent on belief in its existence.






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MrCarton
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re: IP topic of the day: The Pirate Bay's legal policy


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We need some more info to properly answer this question.

How did MrCarton obtain this formula? Legal means? Broke into coke's vault? Coercion?




I answered this by saying even if I did break enforceable laws to get it, once it is public info the law cannot protect it.

I think it was a few posts down.






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Decatur
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It's not any type of theft.


It's called infringement

And there are criminal penalties that can be associated that are much more severe than what someone would receive for simple theft






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Decatur
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Intellectual property is entirely dependent on belief in its existence.


It exists outside any particular person's belief in whether it exists or not







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MrCarton
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re: IP topic of the day: The Pirate Bay's legal policy


Ok.





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JohnnyKilroy
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re: IP topic of the day: The Pirate Bay's legal policy


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It exists outside any particular person's belief in whether it exists or not



Property is simply just a bundle of lawsuits.

If criminal/civil litigation is too burdensome to viably pursue, then the property rights cease to effectively exist.






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MrCarton
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If criminal/civil litigation is too burdensome to viably pursue, then the property rights cease to effectively exist.


And that's the game, thanks for coming out everyone. We will see you all at "gun control field" in the next thread.

ETA: solid retort.



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JohnnyKilroy
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We will see you all at "gun control field" in the next thread.






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Decatur
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re: IP topic of the day: The Pirate Bay's legal policy


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What if a guy ran a message board that allowed people to use copyrighted images as avatars and sig pics and made money on advertisements. Is that ok?


Technically no

But if he gets a C&D letter on something then I'm sure he'll act on it with the swiftness






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Decatur
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If I want something to remain secret, I should take measures to keep it secretive. Has nothing to do with "intellectual property".


Actually, you're right about this if you are referring to trade secrets which fall under the laws of unfair competition.






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WikiTiger
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it still comes with a license though...


funny you mention this, because I just saw this article: Why it's time to stop using open source licences






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Decatur
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Being wrong is not simply the issue. The issue is: is this wrong in Sweden. According to this thread the answer is no.


But IRL, the answer is yes, it is still illegal






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Decatur
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If I give an interview to fox news for $500 and CNN quotes my interview in another article I should get royalties right? I mean, i didn't sell my quote to CNN subscribers, I have a right to sell the same information to them that I did to fox news right? Even if I made it public information, it is MY intellectual property until I sell the rights to each person on earth.


Information itself is not protectible under IP law. CNN would own the broadcast of your interview but you are free to give the info in other interviews that you give.






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Decatur
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What is the difference between downloading songs/movies off the internet and using a tape and boombox 20 years ago to download songs off the radio?

Why would the boombox companies allow you copy off the radio? Wouldn't that be like the boombox is your computer and the radio station is the host? Was it illegal then and no one knew it? Or is it just easier now for the industries to track it and now making a big deal and trying to profit from it?


Recording VHS would fall under the "time-shifting" fair use exception which was recognized by US SCOTUS. It's how TIVO is allowed to operate legally.






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MrCarton
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The law does not protect IP, nor can it protect IP. Any law that claims to protect IP is protecting something else entirely.

Sorry if you feel differently but that is reality.






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Decatur
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Agree to disagree, an algorithm is information. This information is built upon itself to create a complex mathematical equation, but an algorithm is not a singular unit.


Algorithms are not copyrightable...computer programs are.






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Decatur
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that's basically the deal when they ask for protection. If they really want to keep it private, a trade secret strategy is more appropriate. Kind of like Coke's formulas


Coke's formula is a recipe and recipes themselves are not copyrightable...that's why Coke uses the trade secret strategy






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Decatur
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hey everyone, I'm listening to Spotify free right now. it's perfectly legal. I don't pay a penny for it in actual cash.

Why am I not pirating instead?


In effect your service is paid for by the advertisements you are subject to listen to






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Decatur
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If I broke into the coca cola headquarters and mission impossibleded into the safe which stores the formula, then I would have broken so many other pertinent and enforceable laws that the discussion of the formula would only be important as to determine what the civil damages would be.

If i published said formula via a torrent, whoever downloaded it and made their own collegeFBRules cola (I would buy BTW) would be using public information to do so. You cannot feasibly enforce a law against that, even if you feel it is morally wrong.


Yep basically

Diff b/t IP and tradesecrets






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