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re: Poll Has 82% Voting They Would Rather Build Around Irving Instead of Davis

Posted on 2/12/13 at 11:23 am to
Posted by Jester
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Posted on 2/12/13 at 11:23 am to
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Most NBA writers have moved away from AST:TO as a true measure of players because it has no context for player roles. Its still a valuable tool, but perhaps not the most important one

Kyrie basically is a one man team in Cleveland and the only real scoring option they have, so he doesnt pass much. Can he get better at finding the open man/setting teammates up? Absolutely.

His TO rate is actually down this year while USAGE is up. His AST% has dropped too.


So, his scoring is inflated.... That knife cuts both ways.

It's not like Vasquez is playing with a top team here, either. Much of the year, he has had little to pass to, but he was always above Irving's numbers.

Look, I'm not saying that Vasquez is his equal, but Irving is being over-valued here based on his scoring. The rest of his game does not stand out as elite as of now.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/12/13 at 12:07 pm to
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So, his scoring is inflated.... That knife cuts both ways.

i have followed irving very closely b/c i was completely wrong about him coming out (so i could try to learn what i got wrong)

he's shooting 47.3% from the field and 42.7% from 3

his TS% is 57.4%, which is really good for a point guard and amazing for a 20 year old guard

he's really good at dribbling and really good at shooting. those things are going to allow you to score a ton

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but Irving is being over-valued here based on his scoring. The rest of his game does not stand out as elite as of now.

i agree somewhat, but his shooting, for a 20 year old, is amazing. how many 20 year old guards have shot that well in the NBA in the past 20 years?
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