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re: I've heard multiple times that Miles runs a very collaborative gameplanning...
Posted on 2/7/13 at 12:52 pm to Choctaw
Posted on 2/7/13 at 12:52 pm to Choctaw
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i think Krags understands considering his situation. i also think Stud would be happier just handling the o-line.
AND, my understanding is that stud's pay will not go down. he stepped up when krags went down and did his best. it wasn't good enough and i think he'll be ok with just coaching the ol for what he gets paid. it is krags that needs to be moved and his pay being cut; he has less responsibility and should get less pay. it is unfortunate but he has been way overpaid now for 2 yrs and things need to get back in balance.
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Posted on 2/7/13 at 12:52 pm to Adam Banks
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Adam Banks
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False. He was OC AFTER Urban left. BG hired Urbans OC and Stud got promoted. He had from 2007-2011 to try to leave for an OC job and never attempted even when he had chances. He could have found another MAC level OC job but he didnt. He chose to go back to oline where he had been his entire career.
You're only telling half-truths here. He was offered the Utah OC job before returning to be OC at BGSU. So you're right that he wasn't an OC until after Urban left. But the entire reason he went back to BGSU is because he thought there was better opportunity as OC there than as OC at Utah. He got offered TWO jobs as OC.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 12:52 pm to GFunk
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He applied for the job before Krag got it. He wanted the job before we needed him to take it. We didn't think he needed the job even though he wanted it enough to apply.
quote]He applied for the job before Krag got it. He wanted the job before we needed him to take it. We didn't think he needed the job even though he wanted it enough to apply. [/quote]
I think you are confusing Billy Gonzales and Stud. I never saw anything about stud and the job.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 12:53 pm to GFunk
Cam as OC. Krags to admin job with a pay cut I believe. Stud back down to o line. He may be mad, but if he was that mad he would have left. He probably understands.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 12:56 pm to GFunk
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You're only telling half-truths here. He was offered the Utah OC job before returning to be OC at BGSU. So you're right that he wasn't an OC until after Urban left. But the entire reason he went back to BGSU is because he thought there was better opportunity as OC there than as OC at Utah. He got offered TWO jobs as OC.
The dude never left BG and let me get this straight. You say he took the OC job at BG when he had both OC offers on the table because...he had a better shot at being OC at BG?
Also even at that point in time Utah was far ahead of BG in prestige and the dude "always wanted a BCS gig" from what you say.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 12:56 pm to Adam Banks
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Adam Banks
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I think you are confusing Billy Gonzales and Stud. I never saw anything about stud and the job.
Nope. Dudrawa interviewed for the job before Kragthorpe got it. He wanted the job and Les interviewed him.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 12:56 pm to GFunk
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No, he wasn't thrust. Thrust would be that he got the job even though he didn't-or never-wanted it. That's categorically untrue. Miles interviewed him for the opening before hiring Kragthorpe. So that's incorrect and that assumption alone derails your entire argument.
If the rumors are true, and Miles has been talking to Cameron since the Peach Bowl, then Stud has known since January that this is a possibility but didn't leave.
So according to you (because I don't know the facts), Stud has already been passed over for the job once. Then given the job, only to have it taken away a year later. But he's going to stay on anyway? Doesn't sound to me like ego is much of a factor here.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 12:59 pm to Adam Banks
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Adam Banks
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The dude never left BG and let me get this straight. You say he took the OC job at BG when he had both OC offers on the table because...he had a better shot at being OC at BG?
Also even at that point in time Utah was far ahead of BG in prestige and the dude "always wanted a BCS gig" from what you say.
Dude was offered to be Meyer's OC at Utah because Meyer's OC at BGSU was getting the head gig there. He left and then went back to BGSU before coaching a game to take the OC job at BGSU.
Look back through this entire thread and show me where I posted about Dud "always wanted a BCS gig," and you'll be back here in a few minutes telling me that you're the one that was confused. Because I haven't said it.
So stop laughing, because its the man in the mirror you're giggling at, dumbass.
Get a clue. I'm not arguing with you. I'm telling you what went down. This isn't me trying to convince you. Its me telling you. Whether you choose to believe it or not is up to you, Tard.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 1:01 pm to GFunk
Every coaching staff in America uses a "collaborative" game planning approach.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 1:01 pm to GFunk
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Dude was offered to be Meyer's OC at Utah because Meyer's OC at BGSU was getting the head gig there. He left and then went back to BGSU before coaching a game to take the OC job at BGSU.
Not according to this article last year.
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Studrawa coached the offensive line in 2001 and 2002 under Meyer at Bowling Green. When Meyer went to Utah after the '02 season, Studrawa accepted the line coaching job there.
He stayed only a few weeks, though, as he decided to return to Bowling Green, his alma mater in Ohio, when he was offered the offensive coordinator position. Studrawa remained as Bowling Green's offensive coordinator through the 2006 season, then joined coach Les Miles at LSU in 2007.
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Posted on 2/7/13 at 1:02 pm to Wayne Campbell
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Wayne Campbell
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Doesn't sound to me like ego is much of a factor here.
On the surface I agree with you completely. But guys on recruiting sites told us that Studrawa went to the AFCA convention a "day early" so he "could spend some extra time with his wife," or whatever that means.
Translation: he was looking for work.
He either didn't find it or he has some and just hasn't been announced yet. But this was in one of the biggest recruiting periods leading into a dead period, and this guy takes a day off to be with his wife before the AFCA Convention? Hmmmm.
So if this guy was looking for work and couldn't find it, and we know Miles isn't going to publicly embarass the guy and fire him outright (especially if he didn't fire Crowton), then he could absolutely bit a problem.
We shall see.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 1:04 pm to GFunk
Miles and gameplanning should never be used in the same sentence.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 1:07 pm to GFunk
In Les I trust! Stop gaveling in negativity! Be a fan and enjoy the ride!
Posted on 2/7/13 at 1:07 pm to GFunk
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No, he wasn't thrust. Thrust would be that he got the job even though he didn't-or never-wanted it. That's categorically untrue. Miles interviewed him for the opening before hiring Kragthorpe.
So that's incorrect and that assumption alone derails your entire argument.
What are you talking about? He was thrust into the role of the OC in the sense that it was Krag's job, until unforseen events happened before the season. I never said he didn't want the job.
He took over because of the timing, with the understanding that playcalling would be a collaborative effort, because Miles didn't trust his ability to call plays and gameplan on his own. It worked well enough for 1 season.
Now Miles is ready to give Cameron full control, just like he was ready to give Krag's full control. Stud is fine with moving back to full time OL coach or else he wouldn't be doing it.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 1:08 pm to GFunk
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He either didn't find it or he has some and just hasn't been announced yet. But this was in one of the biggest recruiting periods leading into a dead period, and this guy takes a day off to be with his wife before the AFCA Convention? Hmmmm. So if this guy was looking for work and couldn't find it, and we know Miles isn't going to publicly embarass the guy and fire him outright (especially if he didn't fire Crowton), then he could absolutely bit a problem.
If you we're passed over for a job once, then given the job only to be demoted the next year, you leave. Unless you never really wanted the job in the first place.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 1:13 pm to GFunk
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GFunk
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To say he was more content is to ignore that he interviewed for the job itself and was passed over.
So he was passed over for the job initially (which admittedly I was not aware of), and was still going to remain OL coach. I think this statement you made would indicate that his ego/morale may not be as big of an issue as you originally indicated in your OP. Might it hurt his feelings a wee bit? Sure... its a possibility.
I wasn't trying to say you were totally off-base, I am just trying to say I don't think we really know yet just how all parties involved will be effected. Until everything is decided and settled, we are all working off of some general assumptions. Again, not arguing the opposite side of your point... just trying to point out that unless you are secretly Coach Stud or Krags, kinda hard to know exactly what his thoughts/feelings are on the subject.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 1:14 pm to Wayne Campbell
I don't know if stud will even be at lsu as soon as next week
Cam will want to bring in some of his own people... TE/qb coach/o line coach
Cam will want to bring in some of his own people... TE/qb coach/o line coach
Posted on 2/7/13 at 1:20 pm to 3xlsugrad
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Miles and gameplanning should never be used in the same sentence.
They have a whole lot more in common than you and LSU fan does.
This post was edited on 2/7/13 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 2/7/13 at 1:24 pm to GFunk
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I've heard multiple times that there is a good chance most football head coaches run a very collaborative gameplanning process. This involves everyone. But the head coach has ultimate authority.
Pretty safe assumption
Posted on 2/7/13 at 1:29 pm to GFunk
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process.
This involves everyone. But Miles has ultimate authority.
But soon-if I'm hearing right-we're gonna have 3 former LSU Offensive Coordinators on staff. One who took a medical demotion, and one whose performance evaluation after the year was over dictated that he take a demotion in order to remain gainfully employed within the program.
How is that going to affect morale and the gameplanning process I wonder? We've all heard the story about having two starting quarterbacks, or having a ton of chiefs and no Indians.
But we've got our starter at QB. We've also already got our Chief. HTF is LSU gonna shoehorn the egos and morale under one roof in the offensive staff meeting room?
If we keep Krags & Dudrawa, we're risking a ton. Y'know, Tuberville tried this his last year as well. Not trying to compare the programs, the talent, etc. But just saying that maintaining staff when changing the coordinator doesn't always work out so hot.
I guess your years of SEC coaching experience qualify you to give your take on offensive game planning and the problems that an offensive brain trust can cause....
Give me a fricking break.
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