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LSUSOBEAST1 
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| re: Why Can't the United States Assemble a Championship Soccer Team? (Posted on 2/3/13 at 2:49 pm to SlowFlowPro)
It isn't a matter of belief. More like common sense.
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Dandy Lion 
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| re: Why Can't the United States Assemble a Championship Soccer Team? (Posted on 2/3/13 at 2:52 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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because i believe that size and power should be equally treated as passing and possession?
your reference was about Barça´s defense against English attackers. Piqué is bigger than anyone you refer to, and Puyol plays bigger than he is. They get in the fray, don´t shy away from it, so I don´t understand your argument. I can´t fricking believe I´m defending Barça defenders but I am. Your logic is flawed.
Basically, you´re saying they´re being penalized in the open field (I assume you now recognize your attacking scenario holds no water), for kicking smaller players.
Were they larger, there would be no problem. They would automatically not go down, and we´d have rockém sockém robots all day long. frick the ball.
Makes no sense.
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| re: Why Can't the United States Assemble a Championship Soccer Team? (Posted on 2/3/13 at 3:02 pm to Dandy Lion)
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I can´t fricking believe I´m defending Barça defenders but I am.
The second biggest surprise in this thread. 
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joey barton
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| re: Why Can't the United States Assemble a Championship Soccer Team? (Posted on 2/3/13 at 3:10 pm to Dandy Lion)
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rockém sockém robots all day long
That wouldn't be all bad
Someone would resurrect the Bramble-Onyewu center back pairing
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Dandy Lion
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| re: Why Can't the United States Assemble a Championship Soccer Team? (Posted on 2/3/13 at 3:10 pm to joey barton)
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That wouldn't be all bad
True, there would never be any goals, however.
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SlowFlowPro 
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| re: Why Can't the United States Assemble a Championship Soccer Team? (Posted on 2/3/13 at 3:12 pm to Dandy Lion)
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your reference was about Barça´s defense against English attackers
it was one example. the same applies to any other team with superior size who is not allowed to use it. real is hurt by this
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Piqué is bigger than anyone you refer to,
and he's the anti puyol b/c he plays a lot smaller than he is. i like pique, though
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for kicking smaller players.
no. using your body to get position against another player's body has nothing to do with kicking anything
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Were they larger, there would be no problem.
well a small team would have to obtain bigger players or face the disadvantage, yes.
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Dandy Lion
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| re: Why Can't the United States Assemble a Championship Soccer Team? (Posted on 2/3/13 at 3:14 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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no. using your body to get position against another player's body has nothing to do with kicking anything
you´re referring to the aerial game, I believe. I insist, in midfield and open field, your ´bigger´ players are going THROUGH the player, and it does not matter whether they are bigger, smaller, or the same size. It is a foul.
The problem is the dominion of the ball. It just so happens they are smaller, and for some reason, you think they receive preferential treatment.
Wayne Rooney is pretty damned proficient, technically speaking, and draws alot of fouls. I don´t think you´d bitch about him being fouled, at least from a player size standpoint (although I don´t think he´s very big either, maybe 5´10 at best).
´Tis very simple.
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: Why Can't the United States Assemble a Championship Soccer Team? (Posted on 2/3/13 at 3:18 pm to Dandy Lion)
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I believe. I insist, in midfield and open field,
same arguments can apply without kicking
positioning your body to disrupt the body placement of a midfielder isn't a bad thing, objectively
rewarding the smaller player for losing those battles (not kicking) because he's smaller is bull shite to me
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your bigger players are going THROUGH the player, and it does not matter whether they are bigger, smaller, or the same size. It is a foul.
what about when they position themselves to prevent the offensive player from coming through?
that's sound strategy and...a foul in today's game
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| re: Why Can't the United States Assemble a Championship Soccer Team? (Posted on 2/3/13 at 3:21 pm to joey barton)
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Someone would resurrect the Bramble-Onyewu center back pairing
I still have my Newcastle Onyewu jersey, so I'm game.
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Dandy Lion
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| re: Why Can't the United States Assemble a Championship Soccer Team? (Posted on 2/3/13 at 3:22 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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what about when they position themselves to prevent the offensive player from coming through?
that's sound strategy and...a foul in today's game
you´re broad brushing, and grasping at straws. Give it up.
It´s like a charge in basketball. Depends upon when they get there (al cruce).
Basically, technical proficiency bothers you, as you see it as an unfair advantage.
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: Why Can't the United States Assemble a Championship Soccer Team? (Posted on 2/3/13 at 3:46 pm to Dandy Lion)
I have no problem with technical ability lol
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Dandy Lion
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| re: Why Can't the United States Assemble a Championship Soccer Team? (Posted on 2/3/13 at 3:52 pm to SlowFlowPro)
Slow, who´s your club side?
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: Why Can't the United States Assemble a Championship Soccer Team? (Posted on 2/3/13 at 3:58 pm to Dandy Lion)
a joke. it was the spurs and then u switched to city before last year
I have always liked real and ac but I can't claim that I am a legit fan
I cheer for players more and the usnt
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Dandy Lion
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| re: Why Can't the United States Assemble a Championship Soccer Team? (Posted on 2/3/13 at 4:04 pm to SlowFlowPro)
OK. I was just wondering, in order to immerse even further in this discussion.
Anyway, I get what you´re saying, but it´s not true IMO. You seem to think they get preferential treatment, or they´ve changed the way the game is officiated.
I think it´s clear this is not true. You´d either better make a tremendously amazing clean tackle (very difficult to do, as the ball is ´stuck´to their foot), or position with sufficient time to ´draw the charge´ (blocking or obstruction), which also is difficult, because they´re going to go around you.
´Tis a major quandary.
Play a pefect match, hope you get them out of their game, or serendipity, are your best bets.
Serendipity has occurred before, I don´t know how to intensify the frequency of said occurrence.
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cwil177
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| re: Why Can't the United States Assemble a Championship Soccer Team? (Posted on 2/3/13 at 5:03 pm to LSUSOBEAST1)
I used to think SlowFlo was one of the more knowledgeable people here. But that was about 1.5 years ago when I first joined the board. Not sure what the deal is now, but I've pretty much disagreed with everything he's said.
Beast and Dandy are right, and I'm in complete agreement with them. Thenry and other have also hit the nail on the head.
And beast, nice avy.
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Vicks Kennel Club
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| re: Why Can't the United States Assemble a Championship Soccer Team? (Posted on 2/3/13 at 5:13 pm to cwil177)
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I used to think SlowFlo was one of the more knowledgeable people here. But that was about 1.5 years ago when I first joined the board. Not sure what the deal is now, but I've pretty much disagreed with everything he's said.
He is, with respect to TD as a whole. However, he knows less than most soccer board posters (like myself), since he is a casual soccer fan. I usually agree with him when it comes to other sports.
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: Why Can't the United States Assemble a Championship Soccer Team? (Posted on 2/3/13 at 10:06 pm to cwil177)
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I used to think SlowFlo was one of the more knowledgeable people here.
on the soccer board?
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cwil177
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| re: Why Can't the United States Assemble a Championship Soccer Team? (Posted on 2/3/13 at 10:07 pm to SlowFlowPro)
When I first started posting here you were one of the names I saw more often, so I guess I kind of just assumed 
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crazy4lsu
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| re: Why Can't the United States Assemble a Championship Soccer Team? (Posted on 2/3/13 at 10:10 pm to cwil177)
Can someone summarize just this thread is? Do people still believe that athletic ability has anything to do with skill? I find that people in the U.S. confuse the two as if they are synonymous.
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: Why Can't the United States Assemble a Championship Soccer Team? (Posted on 2/3/13 at 10:22 pm to crazy4lsu)
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Can someone summarize just this thread is? Do people still believe that athletic ability has anything to do with skill? I find that people in the U.S. confuse the two as if they are synonymous.
this thread went in multiple directions with 4-5 discussions
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Do people still believe that athletic ability has anything to do with skill?
some did post that in defense of the soccer players
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