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WikiTiger 
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| re: North Korean parents 'eating their own children' (Posted on 1/28/13 at 8:55 pm to ClientNumber9)
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it is one of the world's most religiously intolerant countries in the world, as it sees organized religion as a threat to its government.
well, which is it? you say it's religiously intolerant and that the government views religion as a thread, and Darth_Vader says the government built churches???
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ClientNumber9
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| re: North Korean parents 'eating their own children' (Posted on 1/28/13 at 8:59 pm to WikiTiger)
Regardless of the recent overtures by the NK government by allowing a few handfuls of churches to exist (while the cameras are rolling anyhow), the United Nations lists NK as one of the most religiously intolerant nations in the world.
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LSUtoOmaha
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| re: North Korean parents 'eating their own children' (Posted on 1/28/13 at 9:14 pm to WikiTiger)
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You're also incorrect in your attempt to link the reverence of Kim Jong to an official organized religion. This "religion" of yours has no dogma, no reward in an afterlife, no spiritual tenets or guidance and no story of creationism. It's classic cult of personality exuberance.
This is correct. Idolization of a human being that died 18 years ago is cultist, not religion. This is way more similar to how Jim Jones was viewed in Jonestown than some old monothesitc relgion.
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TigerPride10 
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| re: North Korean parents 'eating their own children' (Posted on 1/28/13 at 9:17 pm to LSUtoOmaha)
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This is way more similar to how Jim Jones was viewed in Jonestown than some old monothesitc relgion.
So because it's not a monotheistic religion in the traditional sense, Wiki's argument is invalid?
What is religion anyway, other than a belief in a higher power? In this sense, how has the ruling regime in NK not come to take the place of an organized religion?
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SlowFlowPro 
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| re: North Korean parents 'eating their own children' (Posted on 1/28/13 at 9:24 pm to LSUtoOmaha)
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Idolization of a human being that died 18 years ago is cultist, not religion
so in approximately 50AD, it was "cultist" to idolize and worship jesus christ?
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trackfan
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| re: North Korean parents 'eating their own children' (Posted on 1/28/13 at 9:29 pm to Cold Pizza)
There's no doubt that the North Korean regime is one of the most oppressive in the world, certainly more oppressive than Iran which is America's favorite whipping boy these days; but I have to write this off as a North Korean nutjob since this goes against everything we know about human/animal nature when it comes to parenting.
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ClientNumber9
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| re: North Korean parents 'eating their own children' (Posted on 1/28/13 at 9:31 pm to TigerPride10)
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What is religion anyway
A religion is a faith system where believers derive their moral, ethical, and spiritual mores. Religion also seeks to explain the unknown past (through some variant of a creation story) and the unknown future (through some form of afterlife). Participants generally show their adherence to their faith through organized, formal activities that are intertwined with critical life moments- births, deaths, marriages, etc. Most religions use supernatural explanations to describe the formation of the universe.
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how has the ruling regime in NK not come to take the place of an organized religion?
Because it doesn't accomplish most of what I've listed above. It is a cultish obsession with a 20th century ruler that ruthlessly killed those who did not show him deference. Even if their respect and love is real (which I suspect this display of emotion is more an act of survival), what does that prove? I love my children. I put them before me and would do anything for them, including laying my life down for them. But this is not my religion.
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KeyserSoze999
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| re: North Korean parents 'eating their own children' (Posted on 1/28/13 at 9:46 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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so in approximately 50AD, it was "cultist" to idolize and worship jesus christ?
yep, if he were dead
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: North Korean parents 'eating their own children' (Posted on 1/28/13 at 9:50 pm to ClientNumber9)
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Because it doesn't accomplish most of what I've listed above
huh?
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A religion is a faith system where believers derive their moral, ethical, and spiritual mores.
check, check, and check
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Religion also seeks to explain the unknown past (through some variant of a creation story)
check
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and the unknown future (through some form of afterlife).
this is much more western than eastern
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Participants generally show their adherence to their faith through organized, formal activities that are intertwined with critical life moments- births, deaths, marriages, et
check
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LSUtoOmaha
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| re: North Korean parents 'eating their own children' (Posted on 1/28/13 at 10:29 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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so in approximately 50AD, it was "cultist" to idolize and worship jesus christ?
No, it became a religious phenomenon (whether true or myth is for you to decide) once Christ was resurrected, thus becoming immortal in the truest sense of the world.
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LSUtoOmaha
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| re: North Korean parents 'eating their own children' (Posted on 1/28/13 at 10:32 pm to TigerPride10)
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So because it's not a monotheistic religion in the traditional sense, Wiki's argument is invalid?
What is religion anyway, other than a belief in a higher power? In this sense, how has the ruling regime in NK not come to take the place of an organized religion?
To me it is additionally the belief in an afterlife, the belief of at least one entity responsible for the creation of the Earth, and something that contains a story or documentation that serves as a blueprint for morality.
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dreaux
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| re: North Korean parents 'eating their own children' (Posted on 1/28/13 at 10:32 pm to C)
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I just can't imagine how those people don't revolt.
With what? Sticks? Bats? Knives?
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TigerPride10
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| re: North Korean parents 'eating their own children' (Posted on 1/28/13 at 10:43 pm to dreaux)
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I just can't imagine how those people don't revolt.
With what? Sticks? Bats? Knives?
It's certainly not the Middle East or North Africa, where every family has an AK-47 and the potential for arms smuggling from Western states is high. Their only real effective outlet of "revolt" is through escape, and they do it often. At least once a week, someone crosses the border. Some are legitimate, some are not. Just a few weeks ago, there was one woman who made it all the way from Pyongyang, shot two guards close to the border, and wound up at one of the nearby US bases.
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LSUtoOmaha
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| re: North Korean parents 'eating their own children' (Posted on 1/28/13 at 10:48 pm to TigerPride10)
Hijack: What line of work are you in in Seoul, if you don't mind me asking? I am always intrigued when people are living in other nations. 
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TigerPride10
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| re: North Korean parents 'eating their own children' (Posted on 1/28/13 at 11:04 pm to LSUtoOmaha)
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Hijack: What line of work are you in in Seoul, if you don't mind me asking? I am always intrigued when people are living in other nations.
Without getting into specifics, I work with DOS out of the embassy here.
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LSUtoOmaha
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| re: North Korean parents 'eating their own children' (Posted on 1/28/13 at 11:06 pm to TigerPride10)
Cool. Do you get transferred around a lot?
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TigerPride10
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| re: North Korean parents 'eating their own children' (Posted on 1/28/13 at 11:12 pm to LSUtoOmaha)
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Cool. Do you get transferred around a lot?
Most assignments are for about two years. I'll be in Korea for another 18 months and then who knows where I'll end up next?
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CarrolltonTiger
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| re: North Korean parents 'eating their own children' (Posted on 1/28/13 at 11:14 pm to The Easter Bunny)
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If I'm starving to death and some a-holes come and take my food I think even the dumbest among us could figure out how to fight back.
They who come to take the food have guns, those who resist do not.
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Even a dog would try and bite the hand taking away the food bowl
The dogs are eaten well before the kids are.
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The informant said the father killed his eldest daughter while his wife was away on business and then killed his son because he
had witnessed the murder.
This story sounds like BS to me, if you are so hungry you eat your kids, your wife isn't going away on business trips. There are many good books on how society degenerated in Ukraine during the famines created by the Soviets, and people are too fricked up to do much when the cannibalism begins.
This post does not mean I doubt cannibalism exists in NK, just questioning the report quoted.
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dreaux
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| re: North Korean parents 'eating their own children' (Posted on 1/28/13 at 11:24 pm to TigerPride10)
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It's certainly not the Middle East or North Africa, where every family has an AK-47 and the potential for arms smuggling from Western states is high
proof (maybe) that we approve of their dictatorship. I think china is the ultimate model of control though. If we didn't like them there would be guns going over their borders too
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TigerPride10
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| re: North Korean parents 'eating their own children' (Posted on 1/28/13 at 11:34 pm to dreaux)
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proof (maybe) that we approve of their dictatorship. I think china is the ultimate model of control though. If we didn't like them there would be guns going over their borders too
I'm not sure that it's proof that we approve of anything. Rather, it's proof that they are able to keep their citizens in check. Do you know how hard it is to get anything across that border? Anti-communist leaflets, food, and smuggled porn have nearly caused an outbreak of hostilities on a number of occasions.
Trying to get guns there, and in a large enough quantity that it would do any good, is logistically impossible.
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