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CollegeFBRules
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I don't think you are ever going to find that one way that will completely eliminate abortion. If you take into account people who abort due to severe deformities or genetics issues, people who use birth control correctly and don't realize it has failed until they are pregnant and morning after pills are not effective, and those who choose to abort for any of the reasons too numerous to mention. I would like to see a decrease in abortion. I would like for there to never be a need for abortion, but I do understand that we will probably never get there. Therefore I am not in favor of completely eliminating that choice.


That's a major dodge job. There are no "reasons too numerous to mention" in regards to abortion. If you truly want to see a reduction in the number of abortions, I guess we are both left to hope for science to provide a suitable middle ground where children are given their chance at choice as well.






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CollegeFBRules
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What will you do when science can take a bag of sperm and an egg and put them together, then grow a baby? What happens when we can create clones? How about goose egg, with a woman's DNA inserted? Does life begin when the body is being created by processes developed over billions of years or when that body takes its first breath, perhaps triggering what we would consider "awareness"?


In other words, you're going to throw random shite against the wall in a concerted effort to prove you are incapable of actually discussing the issue.






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MrCarton
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I don't think you are ever going to find that one way that will completely eliminate abortion.


It will happen in back alley shite holes. It will be a huge black market, completely out if the control of the federal or state governments. Attempts to control abortion will end just like the prohibition, war on drugs, gun control and war on terror. Honest citizens will lose protection under the bill of rights while "criminals" will continue to break the law.

We kill living beings, human beings and Americans on a daily basis, all with legal exception. So the question is not about conception, life, or humanity. It is about legal status in the united states.







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CollegeFBRules
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Science will come a long way, but never far enough to eliminate the need for a mother, and thus the need for mother's to have the abilty to choose to abort should they decide to.


Man, you're so full of shite. I've posed that very same question to you in the past in which you said if science could sustain the life of the child absence the need of the mother's body, you would no longer support abortion since fetal viability would have moved significantly earlier.

You're either going group think, or your principals are a moving target that you don't fully grasp.






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MrCarton
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those questions are not random shite thrown against the wall. They are about the 2nd and 3rd order of effects of anti abortion legislation. No matter what side you are on you will need to consider these.





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CollegeFBRules
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It will happen in back alley shite holes. It will be a huge black market, completely out if the control of the federal or state governments. Attempts to control abortion will end just like the prohibition, war on drugs, gun control and war on terror. Honest citizens will lose protection under the bill of rights while "criminals" will continue to break the law.

We kill living beings, human beings and Americans on a daily basis, all with legal exception. So the question is not about conception, life, or humanity. It is about legal status in the united states.


Christ, I thought the tag line was that Republicans were the party of fear.






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NoHoTiger
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I didn't mean for it to be a dodge. I believe that even given alternate gestational avenues and removing any and all responsibility of the pregnancy from the woman, you will not completely eliminate the demand for abortion.





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CollegeFBRules
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Second and third order? I'll make it simple for you then. If humanity doesn't want to create it, then don't create it. If humanity creates something that will take on a consciousness of its own, then leave it alone and let it live out whatever existence it will have.





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CollegeFBRules
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I didn't mean for it to be a dodge. I believe that even given alternate gestational avenues and removing any and all responsibility of the pregnancy from the woman, you will not completely eliminate the demand for abortion.


No biggie. I will just hope for some resolution neither if us can foresee will come to pass and both sides of the argument can be placated on the end result.






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MrCarton
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I am neither repub or dem. I, in fact, do not support abortion. Just because I dont like it doesn't mean I support legislation that cannot be effective and simultaneously strips law abiding citizens of their rights.

I am trying to be objective. If that is cause for your fear, then please run for Congress you will fit right in.






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MrCarton
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Second and third order? I'll make it simple for you then. If humanity doesn't want to create it, then don't create it.


Ahh I see. So You do not support the death penalty, war, self defense, etc?

Your logic cannot be applied across the spectrum of governance.

ETA: no idea why I posted in this thread, the two sides are as illogical as they are immovable. Pro abortion wants to talk about "right to choose" which as much a logical fallacy as "cannot kill a living human" argument. Neither answers the question within the framework of our governments supposed guiding document.



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CollegeFBRules
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No, the problem is that you jumped in and read one or two posts without seeing the direction the conversation had gone, so it forces a repeat of prior hypotheticals.

The supposition was what if science had developed to a point of being able to keep a fetus viable outside of the mother's womb at the point the woman finds out she is pregnant, and she is completely relieved of any responsibility/burden of providing her body for the development of the fetus, or any child rearing decisions at the point of birth or beyond, does the argument about a parasitic embryo shift?

You went abortion is now illegal, everything else the same, rusty coat hangers in dark back alleys. If you're objective, you are a shitty debater.






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NoHoTiger
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I agree with you. I would like for both to come to a mutual compromise. Unfortunately most people in power don't think like us and pander by holding strong to their position, whether it's something they actually agree with or not, just to oppose the other side's opinion.

BTW: I like debating with you. You never stoop to calling me names and understand that we just have different points of view. Thank you



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CollegeFBRules
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Ahh I see. So You do not support the death penalty, war, self defense, etc?

Your logic cannot be applied across the spectrum of governance.


Man, if I thought anything you wrote made the slightest sense, I'd try to reasonably discuss it with you. You're death penalty in the above situations would, and no, I do not support it at all.

War and self-defense? You're an idiot.






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CollegeFBRules
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BTW: I like debating with you. You never stoop to calling me names and understand that we just have different points of view. Thank you




Thank you as well. However, I'm not being quite as gracious with others in this thread. I used to be really level headed on here, but sometimes the stupid--from most of the hard-core conservatives especially--just make you want to pull your hair out.

I also appreciate your honesty. You're always a respectful poster, which is something we need far more of around here.






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NoHoTiger
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Oh I get lots of name-calling in these kinds of threads. I always find it funny that there thise who so stringently battle for their freedoms and want to limit government intrusion have very few problems with limiting the choices and freedoms of others and welcome gov't/law intervention when it suits their point of view.





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MrCarton
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If humanity creates something that will take on a consciousness of its own, then leave it alone and let it live out whatever existence it will have


This thought is not congruent with any realistic view of governance, or science, Though it seems to form the basis for your opinion. We interfere with "whatever existence" that everything has.

If you don't want to debate then no problem. I see that you have resorted to name calling early on, which is disappointing.






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CollegeFBRules
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Oh I get lots of name-calling in these kinds of threads. I always find it funny that there thise who so stringently battle for their freedoms and want to limit government intrusion have very few problems with limiting the choices and freedoms of others and welcome gov't/law intervention when it suits their point of view.


Which is my one quandary in these discussions. I try to honestly and consistently argue for as limited government intrusion on the lives of Americans as possible. My stance here is that in trying to defend the life of the unborn, I'm not violating that tenet. It may be questionable, but I also don't deny gray areas exist.

Only simpletons see the world as straight black and white.






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CollegeFBRules
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This thought is not congruent with any realistic view of governance, or science, Though it seems to form the basis for your opinion. We interfere with "whatever existence" that everything has.


Look, you're new enough around here to want to engage in a discussion that some of us have had many times over. I know with the current reality as it is, there is not give or take on abortion. People's opinions are set. Yes, I'm proposing hypotheticals as a means to a different take on this discussion to see if / where there is a set of circumstances that could alter such strong opinions.

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If you don't want to debate then no problem. I see that you have resorted to name calling early on, which is disappointing.


I'll own to owing you an apology for that. I'm sorry.






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MrCarton
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Well let's call it on account of rain then. Y'all have a goodun.





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