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| re: Tom Brady has just has many super bowls as peyton manning when you consider (Posted on 1/21/13 at 12:47 pm to Fox Mulder)
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great thread
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Crompdaddy8 
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| re: Tom Brady has just has many super bowls as peyton manning when you consider (Posted on 1/21/13 at 12:48 pm to GhostBuster6)
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Peyton is the GOAT
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GhostBuster6 
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| re: Tom Brady has just has many super bowls as peyton manning when you consider (Posted on 1/21/13 at 12:48 pm to TigerintheNO)
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So is having Marshall Faulk, Edgerrin James, Reggie Wayne, & Marvin Harrison on the offensive side of the ball.
besides Wayne and Faulk how have the majority of peytons teammates done without him? why are decker and Thomas all of a sudden so good? just another year in denver or something else...?
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xenythx 
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| re: Tom Brady has just has many super bowls as peyton manning when you consider (Posted on 1/21/13 at 12:49 pm to c on z)
Conjecture.
Manning had a "top 5" defense this year and didn't win it all.
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slackhouse 
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| re: Tom Brady has just has many super bowls as peyton manning when you consider (Posted on 1/21/13 at 12:50 pm to TigerintheNO)
I have just as many Super Bowls as Peyton Manning when you consider that he has a cannon for an arm, a great QB mind, knows the game inside and out, and has played in the NFL for 14 seasons.
Heck, if you give me his arm, his brain, his teams, his length in the NFL, and everything else about him, I might not have lost in the first round of the playoffs 8 times.
slackhouse > Peyton Manning
He's just lucky...
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GhostBuster6
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| re: Tom Brady has just has many super bowls as peyton manning when you consider (Posted on 1/21/13 at 12:51 pm to xenythx)
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Manning had a "top 5" defense this year and didn't win it all.
38 pts were scored on him plus a hail mary
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H-Town Tiger 
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| re: Tom Brady has just has many super bowls as peyton manning when you consider (Posted on 1/21/13 at 12:55 pm to TigerintheNO)
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why? Brady won a SuperBowl his first year as a starter
First year as a starter =/= rookie year. However, Manning's back up that year could not have played well and won a playoff game like Drew Bledsoe did in 2001.
In 2001 Brady was more of a game manager, Manning was drafted to carry the team.
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H-Town Tiger
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| re: Tom Brady has just has many super bowls as peyton manning when you consider (Posted on 1/21/13 at 12:56 pm to xenythx)
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Manning had a "top 5" defense this year and didn't win it all.
Who was responsible for covering Jacoby Jones with a 7 point lead and 31 seconds left? Pretty sure it wasn't Manning.
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slackhouse
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| re: Tom Brady has just has many super bowls as peyton manning when you consider (Posted on 1/21/13 at 12:58 pm to GhostBuster6)
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Manning had a "top 5" defense this year and didn't win it all.
Actually, the Broncos were 3rd against the rush, 3rd against the pass and 4th in points allowed. So, top 4 at worst.quote:
38 pts were scored on him plus a hail mary
He had 3 turnovers that led to 17 points for Baltimore. Plus Trindon Holliday spotted him 14 points. With the game on the line, he threw an INT that gave the game to the Ravens.
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Rohan2Reed
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| re: Tom Brady has just has many super bowls as peyton manning when you consider (Posted on 1/21/13 at 12:58 pm to GhostBuster6)
Oh. This thread again. Great.
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Vicks Kennel Club
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| re: Tom Brady has just has many super bowls as peyton manning when you consider (Posted on 1/21/13 at 12:59 pm to H-Town Tiger)
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The biggest difference IMO: Bellichick > Mora, Dungy, Caldwell, Fox
This.
They both have some great help in some areas and have had lacking support in others at times, but the one constant is New England's superiority at the coaching position.
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xenythx
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| re: Tom Brady has just has many super bowls as peyton manning when you consider (Posted on 1/21/13 at 1:00 pm to H-Town Tiger)
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Who was responsible for covering Jacoby Jones with a 7 point lead and 31 seconds left? Pretty sure it wasn't Manning.
I agree with your point you're making here, but I'm pointing out that it's conjecture to say that Manning would have won those same Super Bowls that Patriots won with Brady. All things aren't equal.
This post was edited on 1/21 at 1:01 pm
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moneyg
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| re: Tom Brady has just has many super bowls as peyton manning when you consider (Posted on 1/21/13 at 1:05 pm to GhostBuster6)
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similar defenses... if peyton had NE's defense he probably would have had 1 more super bowl. Peyton is the GOAT and Brady hasnt won one since he has lost the dominant defense.....Brady is still top 4 though in history..no knock on him. Thats the one big difference in the two QB's career. Bruschi, Harrison, Seymour, Law, and company.
Who had the better WR corps over their career?
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H-Town Tiger
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| re: Tom Brady has just has many super bowls as peyton manning when you consider (Posted on 1/21/13 at 1:05 pm to slackhouse)
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He had 3 turnovers that led to 17 points for Baltimore
1 of those INTs hit the WR right in the hands. In the stats it counts as a pick, but if you watched it, it is the WR's fault, more than the QB.
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. Plus Trindon Holliday spotted him 14 points.
How do you know the Bronco's would not have scored on those drives anyway?
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H-Town Tiger
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| re: Tom Brady has just has many super bowls as peyton manning when you consider (Posted on 1/21/13 at 1:09 pm to moneyg)
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but I'm pointing out that it's conjecture to say that Manning would have won those same Super Bowls that Patriots won with Brady. All things aren't equal.
I agree, its speculation, i think the broader point is, NE just had better teams.
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Who had the better WR corps over their career?
Manning. So what? You don't stop the other QB with better WR's.
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moneyg
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| re: Tom Brady has just has many super bowls as peyton manning when you consider (Posted on 1/21/13 at 1:09 pm to GhostBuster6)
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38 pts were scored on him plus a hail mary
And Manning had the benefit of two defensive TDs. And Manning made a mental error that was the deciding factor in that game.
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Baers Foot 
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| re: Tom Brady has just has many super bowls as peyton manning when you consider (Posted on 1/21/13 at 1:10 pm to H-Town Tiger)
Peyton has more Super Bowl wins if you factor in cheating. Brady is 0-2 in Super Bowls after daddy Belichick got caught.
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Draconian Sanctions
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| re: Tom Brady has just has many super bowls as peyton manning when you consider (Posted on 1/21/13 at 2:26 pm to Baers Foot)
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Peyton has more Super Bowl wins if you factor in cheating. Brady is 0-2 in Super Bowls after daddy Belichick got caught.
Can we also disallow bama's 2011 title on account of Gregg Williams spying on LSU practices?
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TulaneTigerFan 
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| re: Tom Brady has just has many super bowls as peyton manning when you consider (Posted on 1/21/13 at 2:26 pm to slackhouse)
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slackhouse
You are embarrassingly stupid. For real.
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Baers Foot
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| re: Tom Brady has just has many super bowls as peyton manning when you consider (Posted on 1/21/13 at 3:41 pm to Draconian Sanctions)
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Can we also disallow bama's 2011 title on account of Gregg Williams spying on LSU practices?
Gregg Williams didn't bench Russell Shepard.
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