Well, according to this logic of yours, if LSU beats say a #20 in a bowl game, and that team finishes unranked in the final rankings because of their final loss, then that would not be a victory over a ranked team? Listen, its always looked at by statistical analysts as what the team is ranked at the time. Perhaps it is you who needs to know your ball a bit more.

According to this thinking of yours, LSU does not have the record of 7 wins over ranked teams (most all time in NCAA until we broke it by 1 in 2011). But yet the record books say that we do and it was, again, widely mentioned by the press and coaches as why LSU was so great that year (making the case for us to appear in the NC game).

The poster was trying to downplay the strength of the teams we lost to that yr even going as far as to distort facts, hoping no one would notice, a classic move by a "negatiger". Kentucky was in fact ranked. And that's simply a fact. Check out all the sites and publications that have schedules of teams from the past with scores next to them in graphs for statistics.

They ALWAYS have the ranking of the team (at the time of the game) next to them, and the final ranking is never mentioned in the graphs. That's because when a team loses, the rankings change. And one team has to lose, so it distorts the stats accordingly if you were to use the final ranking. For rankings are mostly based on wins and loses, and unfortunately not much else, an inherent flaw. Most bigtime college ball fans know this.

BTW, your use of "braniac" is ad hominem, sign of weakness and insecurity in the substance of one's argument. Plus, maybe before attempting to call someone a brainiac in a derogatory manner, you might want to at least spell it correctly, especially considering the epic irony of such an error.

After all, what is a "braniac" anyway? One who is known for their flowing love of bran muffins? More fiber! GTFO bra, poor showing indeed.

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Weird, I would think the undefeated championship season in 1958 and the 1 loss championship in 2003 were better accomplishments than a 2 loss season...

Well, yes, 2003 was a great accomplishment, perhaps LSU's best, but we did lose to a Ron Zook coached team at home by 12 points, certainly not in triple OT. And FLA that yr finished 8-5 as well, but no one seems to be bringing that up when trying to poo-poo on Miles and his '07 season's accomplishments.

Plus we had to stop Chokelahoma on the last drive to win in the NC game avoiding overtime. In '07 we embarrassed and throttled OH state, in the same stadium (it was over by halftime, and 31 unanswered thru the early 3rd).

My comment on this point was actually pertaining to the fact that not only did we win the NC that yr but that we throttled the #1 defense in the NC game in spectacular fashion and simultaneously set the all time record for wins over ranked teams all time in the NCAA.

And also, although 1958 was a great accomplishment, it was not in the modern era and was pre-integration, so to me, I think its not quite the same as our NC's from the 2000's. The game has changed enormously since then. In my opinion, average teams post-integration in the modern era would wipe the mat with national champions from the 50's, just my opinion.

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Just imagine 2011 being finished off properly.

And yes, trudat, if we would have finished properly this would not only have been our greatest accomplishment ever (also a very young team btw) but we would have set the record NCAA all time of wins over ranked teams at 9, completely putting it out of reach for almost any team going forward, and we also would have set the largest margin of victory over ranked teams in combo with the other record (btw, all with Stud as the OC, hard to fire a guy 1 yr removed from that). But we still broke the old '07 record by 1 with 8, even tho the debacle occurred on 1/09/12.

That night was as painful for me as any other massive Tiger fan. But I think the 2011 season really sheds light on the old, seemingly ever present, argument of Les only having success with Sabin's playaz. U dont hear that one as much anymore.

But honestly, although there were coaching blunders in the 1/9/12 game by Les that are obvious by his extreme lack of attempt at adjustment. I dont necessarily feel like crucifying him for the very uncharacteristically poor performance of the OL and JJ's complete meltdown (which was a long time coming actually IMO).

And I think honestly with the pass rush we were sustaining that night, if he put Lee in, he probly would have been injured on the first series he undertook (not to say that I didnt shout at the screen as loud as I possibly could as we all did to simply put the dude in the game and lets exhaust all our options before basically forfeiting at that point). It will forever be a mystery why that truly occurred.

But lets consider this point when thinking of 2011. LSU actually was an overachiever that yr considering the vast youth of the roster and we even still beat bama (2011 being possibly their best team ever) in their house (completely dominating them in overtime, we "made their arse quit" as satan would say), but we did this with what NFL scouts projected from our team as 11 (younger) draftable players to bama's projected 17 (more experienced).

We never should have won on Nov 5th (on paper), for those reasons, but we overachieved. I personally think that is a massive credit to Les' ability to motive men in hardcore fashion. I personally dont think any team in college ball history could have beat bama's 2011 team in a revenge game vs one of their main rivals in a stadium w/ 2-1 bama/opponent fans on that night. Also, with the pretty much greatest college coach of all time being 2 games down to a "retard" coach who consistently had less NFL talent than his teams did and the title on the line ($abin's entire legacy depended on that win).

But Miles never backed away in pussyish fashion from playing them again when asked. But I betcha lil satan would have squirmed publicly if he were in that position if asked the same question had he won on Nov 5th. And that's one of the main diffs b/t the men.

That all pertains to the scheduling that Les supports and why he even has those two records to begin with (most wins over ranked teams in NCAA history '07 and '11). So yes, I think its at least on par with our greatest accomplishments at LSU, if not the best ever ('07).

The point of it all is perspective. We all choose our perspectives many times. Sometimes its not a choice, but most times it is. Any champion in any thing will tell you, that if you lose perspective and focus mostly on the negative and hence lose hope, you will never get anywhere in anything truly difficult.

The point of many in this thread is to show what some continually choose to focus on. I for one don't subscribe to the Catastrophe Syndrome, especially during these times in the program's history. Some may choose otherwise.

I guess if that makes me a "pumper", well, than believe what you want to believe, most people will do that anyway. I choose to be supportive of LSU, not foolishly positive even when things suck, but optimistically supportive, there's a difference. Hope ya'll out there on the fence or slightly leaning one way or the other can hear me on that a bit.

I personally believe these Tigers are far from finished under Les. Now, how's that for a diatribe? Take it for what you will.