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LSU Compared to Other Top Programs in the Les Miles Era
Posted on 1/9/13 at 8:54 am
Posted on 1/9/13 at 8:54 am
I did a little research and have put together the average AP final ranking for each top program along with national championships, top 5 finishes, top 10 finishes and conference championships during the Les Miles Era at LSU (2005-2012). Below the teams are ranked by average AP finish, and I have also listed the other categories by each team.
To make this quicker to type here is what the following acronyms mean:
AAFR - Average AP Final Ranking
BCSNC - BCS National Championships
T5 - Top 5 Finishes
T10 - Top 10 Finishes
CC - Conference Championships
1. Ohio St - AAFR = 6.38, 0 BCSNC, 6 T5, 7 T10, 5 CC
2. LSU - AAFR = 8.63, 1 BCSNC, 3 T5, 5 T10, 2 CC
3. Alabama - AAFR = 8.88,3 BCSNC,3 T5,5 T10,2 CC
4. Florida - AAFR = 10.38,2 BCSNC,3 T5,4 T10,2 CC
4. Oregon - AAFR = 10.38,0 BCSNC,3 T5,5 T10,3 CC
6. USC - AAFR = 10.5,0 BCSNC,4 T5,5 T10,4 CC
7. Texas - AAFR = 11.63,1 BCSNC,3 T5,4 T10,2 CC
8. Boise St. - AAFR = 12.38,0 BCSNC,2 T5,4 T10,6 CC
9. Oklahoma - AAFR = 12.63,0 BCSNC,1 T5,3 T10,4 CC
10. TCU - AAFR = 13.25,0 BCSNC,1 T5,3 T10,4 CC
11. Georgia - AAFR = 14.5,0 BCSNC,2 T5,3 T10,1 CC
12. Virginia Tech - AAFR = 15,0 BCSNC,0 T5,3 T10,3 CC
13. Wisconsin - AAFR = 15.38,0 BCSNC,0 T5,3 T10,3 CC
14. West Virginia - AAFR = 16.25,0 BCSNC,1 T5,3 T10,3 CC
15. Auburn - AAFR = 16.88,1 BCSNC,1 T5,2 T10,1 CC
I know on here at least everyone is pretty divided about their feeling of Les and the current state of the program, so I just wanted to give some perspective about how the program has fared since he became head coach compared to the other top programs in the country.
To make this quicker to type here is what the following acronyms mean:
AAFR - Average AP Final Ranking
BCSNC - BCS National Championships
T5 - Top 5 Finishes
T10 - Top 10 Finishes
CC - Conference Championships
1. Ohio St - AAFR = 6.38, 0 BCSNC, 6 T5, 7 T10, 5 CC
2. LSU - AAFR = 8.63, 1 BCSNC, 3 T5, 5 T10, 2 CC
3. Alabama - AAFR = 8.88,3 BCSNC,3 T5,5 T10,2 CC
4. Florida - AAFR = 10.38,2 BCSNC,3 T5,4 T10,2 CC
4. Oregon - AAFR = 10.38,0 BCSNC,3 T5,5 T10,3 CC
6. USC - AAFR = 10.5,0 BCSNC,4 T5,5 T10,4 CC
7. Texas - AAFR = 11.63,1 BCSNC,3 T5,4 T10,2 CC
8. Boise St. - AAFR = 12.38,0 BCSNC,2 T5,4 T10,6 CC
9. Oklahoma - AAFR = 12.63,0 BCSNC,1 T5,3 T10,4 CC
10. TCU - AAFR = 13.25,0 BCSNC,1 T5,3 T10,4 CC
11. Georgia - AAFR = 14.5,0 BCSNC,2 T5,3 T10,1 CC
12. Virginia Tech - AAFR = 15,0 BCSNC,0 T5,3 T10,3 CC
13. Wisconsin - AAFR = 15.38,0 BCSNC,0 T5,3 T10,3 CC
14. West Virginia - AAFR = 16.25,0 BCSNC,1 T5,3 T10,3 CC
15. Auburn - AAFR = 16.88,1 BCSNC,1 T5,2 T10,1 CC
I know on here at least everyone is pretty divided about their feeling of Les and the current state of the program, so I just wanted to give some perspective about how the program has fared since he became head coach compared to the other top programs in the country.
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 8:56 am to BearTiger
Did you # this list solely off of AP avg ranking?
Posted on 1/9/13 at 8:57 am to BearTiger
That is cool. But we all know what matters is how many time you win the last bowl game of the year. 
Posted on 1/9/13 at 8:57 am to BearTiger
Stop with the stat facts, we all know this program is bottom tier in the SEC! 
Posted on 1/9/13 at 8:59 am to BearTiger
sunshine pumper
Yeah, but when was his last championship season? Last year, you say.....well damn, we suck anyway.
toss dive, prevent, 9 men in box, OC, departures, picks nose, Bo, QB development.
Yeah, but when was his last championship season? Last year, you say.....well damn, we suck anyway.
toss dive, prevent, 9 men in box, OC, departures, picks nose, Bo, QB development.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 9:02 am to BearTiger
quote:
AP final ranking
what the frick does that matter?
seriously.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 9:03 am to BearTiger
Umm, you forgot Arkansas, they're Elite.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 9:06 am to BearTiger
This is all unnecessary. 80% win%...That's all anyone needs to know. If you can't be happy with that then f*ck off; you'll never be happy.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 9:08 am to BearTiger
Wow that's really great. Just think what it would be if we didn't have a terrible offense and didnt lose multiple games/championship opportunities due to discipline problems, coaching blunders, favoritism, etc.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 9:15 am to BearTiger
Interesting list and thanks for providing. Regardless of how you feel about Miles and his staff, it is important to remember that they have accomplished a great deal, and this provides some perspective.
Quick question: how did you deal with years in which the teams on this list finished out of the top 25? There had to be a number of such years.
Overall winning percentage would also be interesting to see, although I suspect this would tend to favor schools in weaker conferences.
Thanks.
Quick question: how did you deal with years in which the teams on this list finished out of the top 25? There had to be a number of such years.
Overall winning percentage would also be interesting to see, although I suspect this would tend to favor schools in weaker conferences.
Thanks.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 9:16 am to BearTiger
Posted on 1/9/13 at 10:12 am to BearTiger
does this list make you feel better?
Posted on 1/9/13 at 10:15 am to BearTiger
I hate LSU fans, especially NegaTigers.
Don't they realize that this is the very best the LSU football can accomplish, this is the Golden Age of LSU footbal AND Coach Miles is the best LSU coach of all time?
Such ingrates. I hate them.
Don't they realize that this is the very best the LSU football can accomplish, this is the Golden Age of LSU footbal AND Coach Miles is the best LSU coach of all time?
Such ingrates. I hate them.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 10:20 am to BearTiger
80% is pretty awesome until you realize it's an average of under 10 wins per 12 game season and our division rivals have 3 NCs and probably 90% wins. I still like Les ok but the offense has entrenched us as 2nd in the West, 2011 being an outlier where dynamic defensive and ST players overcame the tag any offense.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 10:50 am to BearTiger
I love the compare a COACH'S record to other TEAM threads 
Posted on 1/9/13 at 12:30 pm to BearTiger
quote:
I just wanted to give some perspective about how the program has fared since he became head coach compared to the other top programs in the country
Those who have a want to pound on Miles at every L or close win, are not concerned bout looking at the man's 8 yrs here in any kind of "perspective".
If they did, they wouldn't pound 24/7 on the very most successful HC in LSU history as well as one of the very most successful coaches in the BCS/SEC since 05.
Anyone not undergoing college football mental health treatment of some kind knows LSU football is easily a Top 3 to 5 program overall under Miles.
Spoiled/entitled fans don't care bout "perspective". They only care bout being #1 and if we not #1, they gonna bitch bout it till the cows come home.
If you don't think so, review the threads here started by the same guys from 1-10-11 to now cause we finished #2 in 2011.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 2:37 pm to BearTiger
quote:
1. Ohio St - AAFR = 6.38, 0 BCSNC, 6 T5, 7 T10, 5 CC
2. LSU - AAFR = 8.63, 1 BCSNC, 3 T5, 5 T10, 2 CC
3. Alabama - AAFR = 8.88,3 BCSNC,3 T5,5 T10,2 CC
This is very disingenuous. What you should be looking at it LSU's performace since Nick Saban started his tenure at Alabama. I bet it will look really bad for Miles.
I see Saban and Bama solely standing in the way of LSU winning more championships. They will be a huge hurdle going forward.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 2:54 pm to BearTiger
quote:
I know on here at least everyone is pretty divided about their feeling of Les and the current state of the program, so I just wanted to give some perspective about how the program has fared since he became head coach compared to the other top programs in the country.
100% agree with you and some of us have been fighting this argument for over a year now. There is a certain contingent of Rant posters that are only interested in 21 games the last 8 years. They aren't interested in the 13 wins last year, they are interested in the 1 loss. They aren't interested in potential reasons why we lost 3 games this year, they only care that Miles has 3 more losses this season. Reality is those people aren't the type of people who would be able to run a successful program if they were in charge. When someone has sustained success and been so close to winning the championship, you don't clean house and start over. Smart people are in charge of the program, hence the success we've seen the past 3 years. The butthurtness will pass once NSD happens. LSU is set up really well with young talent that got experience and really special players committed and coming in this week and in the fall. LSU's program will continue to see success for awhile despite what the 50 or so vocal negatigers post on here.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 3:41 pm to BearTiger
I see this thrown around a lot, so I checked the numbers.
From 2005 - 2012, LSU is ranked 3rd in winning percentage among all Division 1-A schools. 1st is Boise St, 2nd is TCU. Ohio St and Oregon fill out the top 5. That is out of 120 teams.
I am not a Miles supporter or hater, just a fan that loves data.
Take it for what it is worth.
And looking at the last 5 years only to erase the Saban's players argument - 2007-2012, LSU is tied for 5th in winning percentage behind Boise St, Bama, Oregon, TCU, and tied with Oklahoma. Again, that is out of 120 teams.
I've created a normal distribution to help show this.
From 2005 - 2012, LSU is ranked 3rd in winning percentage among all Division 1-A schools. 1st is Boise St, 2nd is TCU. Ohio St and Oregon fill out the top 5. That is out of 120 teams.
I am not a Miles supporter or hater, just a fan that loves data.
Take it for what it is worth.
And looking at the last 5 years only to erase the Saban's players argument - 2007-2012, LSU is tied for 5th in winning percentage behind Boise St, Bama, Oregon, TCU, and tied with Oklahoma. Again, that is out of 120 teams.
I've created a normal distribution to help show this.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 4:34 pm to BearTiger
So by this reasoning LSU is a better program than Alabama. What matters most in those stats are the Champioships.
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