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Elcid96 
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Member since May 2010
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| re: President Obama to Boehner, "We don't have a spending problem..." (Posted on 1/7/13 at 4:21 pm to Jax-Tiger)
Nobody has a "Spendin Problem" when they are spending everyone elses money!!!
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TheJacer
Member since Nov 2012
247 posts
| re: President Obama to Boehner, "We don't have a spending problem..." (Posted on 1/7/13 at 4:22 pm to Lucas Jackson)
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Healthcare costs are going to go down.
I think there was a thread with links on here the other day which provided very good evidence it is the total opposite.
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buddhavista
Member since Jul 2012
3543 posts
| re: President Obama to Boehner, "We don't have a spending problem..." (Posted on 1/7/13 at 4:23 pm to Bard)
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How does adding a massive government bureaucracy to something make it less expensive and more efficient? When has that ever happened in the history of our country?
I don't see how anyone could buy this. Nothing in the PPCA will reduce expenses outside some of the preventive medicine.
The health insurance companies and providers have no reason to keep costs under control. And they wrote the bill, thus its not going to lower costs.
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NC_Tigah
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Member since Sep 2003
40066 posts
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| re: President Obama to Boehner, "We don't have a spending problem..." (Posted on 1/8/13 at 8:31 am to buddhavista)
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I have heard that before, but this board is acting like the republicans have a plan. I personally don't see it.
Republican proposed cuts:
Flood Control and Coastal Emergencies -$30M
Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy -$899M
Electricity Delivery and Energy Reliability -$49M
Nuclear Energy -$169M
Fossil Energy Research -$31M
Clean Coal Technology -$18M
Strategic Petroleum Reserve -$15M
Energy Information Administration -$34M
Office of Science -$1.1B
Power Marketing Administrations -$52M
Department of Treasury -$268M
Internal Revenue Service -$593M
Treasury Forfeiture Fund -$338M
GSA Federal Buildings Fund -$1.7B
ONDCP -$69M
International Trade Administration -$93M
Economic Development Assistance -$16M
Minority Business Development Agency -$2M
National Institute of Standards and Technology -$186M
NOAA -$336M
National Drug Intelligence Center -$11M
Law Enforcement Wireless Communications -$52M
US Marshals Service -$10M
FBI -$74M
State and Local Law Enforcement Assistance -$256M
Juvenile Justice -$2.3M
COPS -$600M
NASA -$379M
NSF -$139M
Legal Services Corporation -$75M
EPA -$1.6B
Food Safety and Inspection Services -$53M
Farm Service Agency -$201M
Agriculture Research -$246M
Natural Resource Conservation Service -$46M
Rural Development Programs -$237M
WIC -$758M
International Food Aid grants -$544M
FDA -$220M
Land and Water Conservation Fund -$348M
National Archives and Record Service -$20M
DOE Loan Guarantee Authority -$1.4B
EPA ENERGY STAR -$7.4M
EPA GHG Reporting Registry -$9M
USGS -$27M
EPA Cap and Trade Technical Assistance -$5M
EPA State and Local Air Quality Management -$25M
Fish and Wildlife Service -$72M
Smithsonian -$7.3M
National Park Service -$51M
Clean Water State Revolving Fund -$700M
Drinking Water State Revolving Fund -$250M
EPA Brownfields -$48M
Forest Service -$38M
National Endowment for the Arts -$6M
National Endowment for the Humanities -$6M
Job Training Programs -$2B
Community Health Centers -$1.3B
Maternal and Child Health Block Grants -$210M
Family Planning -$327M
Poison Control Centers -$27M
CDC -$755M
NIH -$1B
Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services -$96M
LIHEAP Contingency fund -$400M
Community Services Block Grant -$405M
High Speed Rail -$1B
FAA Next Gen -$234M
Amtrak -$224M
HUD Community Development Fund -$530M
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NC_Tigah
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| re: President Obama to Boehner, "We don't have a spending problem..." (Posted on 1/8/13 at 10:08 am to Lucas Jackson)
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When PPACA is enacted, I think it will actually reduce the defect
There is nothing in Obamacare that will reduce HC expense. There is plenty that will increase it.
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buddhavista
Member since Jul 2012
3543 posts
| re: President Obama to Boehner, "We don't have a spending problem..." (Posted on 1/8/13 at 10:13 am to NC_Tigah)
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Republican proposed cuts:
Well its good to be specific! Thanks. But there isn't a ton of $$ there. Most of those numbers are in M, not B. Cut all of that, and what do we have a $950B problem and not a trillion problem.
And seriously, some of these aren't going to pass.
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NOAA -$336M
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Food Safety and Inspection Services -$53M
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CDC -$755M
NIH -$1B
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Jax-Tiger
LSU Fan
Jacksonville, FL
Member since Jan 2005
3202 posts
| re: President Obama to Boehner, "We don't have a spending problem..." (Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:02 pm to buddhavista)
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I don't trust Boehner on this. he seems like a rat.
I don't trust him, either, but he is the only one asking for spending cuts that you seem to favor. Sure, he hasn't come out with a specific plan, but he has asked the everything, including entitlements, be put on the table. President Obama said, "NO".
This is the same president who all throughout the election talked about a "balanced" approach.
Boehner gave in on the taxes, and now President Obama seems to want to take the ball and go home, rather than play the second half.
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UncleFestersLegs
Columbia MO
Member since Nov 2010
497 posts
| re: President Obama to Boehner, "We don't have a spending problem..." (Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:10 pm to Jax-Tiger)
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Boehner gave in on the taxes, and now President Obama seems to want to take the ball and go home, rather than play the second half.
The problem for O is that sequestration will take place automatically if nothing is done. Boner should take his spray tan and go home and let O worry about the spending side of the cliff that's still in play.
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Jax-Tiger
LSU Fan
Jacksonville, FL
Member since Jan 2005
3202 posts
| re: President Obama to Boehner, "We don't have a spending problem..." (Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:12 pm to buddhavista)
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Well its good to be specific! Thanks. But there isn't a ton of $$ there. Most of those numbers are in M, not B. Cut all of that, and what do we have a $950B problem and not a trillion problem.
True, but those are the least controversial cuts - and the only ones you're going to get, right now.
More generally, the Republicans have stated that they would like to address entitlements, where most of the money is. The Dems are simply saying no, while waiting for the Republicans to come out with specifics on cutting entitlements. Once the Republicans do that, the Democrats will launch a series of commercials showing how the Republicans want to starve senior citizens and children and take away healthcare for poor people. The debate will go downhill from there.
The only way for this to work is for both sides to come to the negotiating table and put their spending cut proposals on the table at the same time. This is not going to happen as long as the Democrats take the position that we don't have a spending problem, so they don't need to come to the table with anything.
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UncleFestersLegs
Columbia MO
Member since Nov 2010
497 posts
| re: President Obama to Boehner, "We don't have a spending problem..." (Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:19 pm to Jax-Tiger)
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series of commercials showing how the Republicans want to starve senior citizens and children and take away healthcare for poor people. The debate will go downhill from there.
It's not like we haven't been there before.
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"They're coming for our children. They're coming for the poor. They're coming for the sick, the elderly and the disabled." Rep. John Lewis, D-Ga March 21, 1995
Now the Dims take credit for what they demagogued.
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TROLA
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BATON ROUGE
Member since Apr 2004
5204 posts
| re: President Obama to Boehner, "We don't have a spending problem..." (Posted on 1/8/13 at 2:10 pm to Lucas Jackson)
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President Obama to Boehner, "We don't have a spending problem..." When PPACA is enacted, I think it will actually reduce the defect. Healthcare costs are going to go down. We spend as much as a quarter of our budget on healthcare already. The amazing thing is that it provides modern healthcare coverage while actually pumping life into the economy.
How? Even with the cherry picks and appointed CBO numbers, the bill will not be deficit neutral on he 10 year score. The one where it receives 10 years of taxes for 7 years of service
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Jax-Tiger
LSU Fan
Jacksonville, FL
Member since Jan 2005
3202 posts
| re: President Obama to Boehner, "We don't have a spending problem..." (Posted on 1/8/13 at 3:09 pm to UncleFestersLegs)
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series of commercials showing how the Republicans want to starve senior citizens and children and take away healthcare for poor people. The debate will go downhill from there.
It's not like we haven't been there before.
True, but let's say the Republicans come out and support a plan to raise the Social Security age to 67. The Democrats and their willing foils in the media will lambaste them for weeks on end until it is taken off the table - it will no longer be a viable option, and the Republicans will have to come up with something else.
Both sides have to play their cards close to their vests. They both have to agree to come to the table with X amount of spending cuts. Lay it all out on the table and negotiate the deal. The problem right now is that the Democrats see X as zero.
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