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thetempleowl
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depends what you want.

I find it interesting that we were able to build roads, pay off world war two and the such while still collecting about the same percent tax collections as compared with gdp.



I think if you favor a medium sized government, than yes, we have a spending problem.

If you want a large government, one would say no I suppose. I would break it down into do we have a government problem or not? In essence that is the same thing.

I think we do.






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CajunAngele
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I don't doubt that obama would have said somethng like this but its not like boehner is a credible source IMHO.


In an interview with Stephen Moore of the Wall Street Journal, newly re-elected House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) opened up about President Obama’s utter unwillingness to cut a single dollar from federal spending. In a stunning admission, Obama reportedly told Boehner, “We don’t have a spending problem.”

Boehner added that President Obama continues to maintain that America’s federal deficit is caused not by governmental overspending but by “a health-care problem.” Said Boehner, “They blame all of the fiscal woes on our health-care system.” Boehner told Obama, “Clearly we have a health-care problem, which is about to get worse with Obamacare. But, Mr. President, we have a very serious spending problem.” Obama eventually replied, “I’m getting tired of hearing you say that.”

Obama may be tired of hearing Boehner talk about a spending problem, particularly when Obama has been re-elected on the basis of ignoring government spending. Nonetheless, America does have a spending problem, which Obama is steadfastly ignoring. “He’s so ideological himself,” Boehner explained, “and he’s unwilling to take on the left of his own party.” That’s why Obama refused to raise the retirement age for Medicare after agreeing to it. “He admitted in meetings that he couldn’t sell things to his own members,” said Boehner. “But he didn’t even want to try … We could never get him to step up.”


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Jax-Tiger
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Sure, can you give me a link to a specific spending cut proposal, totaling more than $500B, pushed by Boehnersince the election? I mean specific, and I mean cuts, not reduce in the rate of growth.

I haven't seen spending cuts proposed by either side.


Nobody is going to come out with specific cuts - that would just guarantee that the cuts will never happen. The cuts are negotiated at the bargaining table. Every cut that is unpopular with the Democrats should have a corresponding cut that is unpopular with the Republicans. The Republicans came out and said we need to cut entitlements and they all need to be on the table. The Democrats said they won't touch entitlements.






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rsande2
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President Obama to Boehner, "We don't have a spending problem..."


I have never in my life seen anything like this...







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tigerskin
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But I thought some Repub congressmen were saying now they would have more leverage in the spending debate.......pfffft.





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buddhavista
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Nobody is going to come out with specific cuts - that would just guarantee that the cuts will never happen. The cuts are negotiated at the bargaining table. Every cut that is unpopular with the Democrats should have a corresponding cut that is unpopular with the Republicans. The Republicans came out and said we need to cut entitlements and they all need to be on the table. The Democrats said they won't touch entitlements.


Actually the republicans have proposed very specific cuts....to future spending. They proposed both changing the eligibility age for medicare and adjusting SS inflation increases. These are great idea IMHO, and no brainers.

So basically what I am seeing from this thread is....
- Trust Boehner that obama is not up for cutting spending.
- Trust boehner that the republicans have a plan
- This plan is double top secret and can't be shared with the public (i.e. we have to pass it to know what's in it)

I just don't buy it. I would love to see some serious cuts proposed but I don't think either side has a plan to meaningful reduce spending.






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What a fricking embarassment...





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Zach
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I have heard that before, but this board is acting like the republicans have a plan. I personally don't see it.

Perhaps you remember when GWB proposed allowing people to set aside 6% of their SS payroll taxes into a private account. The Dems said that would cause massive death, starvation and pestilence. Children would die in the streets along with Grandma. Or, perhaps you don't remember that.






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buddhavista
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Perhaps you remember when GWB proposed allowing people to set aside 6% of their SS payroll taxes into a private account. The Dems said that would cause massive death, starvation and pestilence. Children would die in the streets along with Grandma. Or, perhaps you don't remember that.


I do remember that, but he had a plan. I don't see a republican plan. The trust me shite doesn't work for me, as I explicitly don't trust them.

They could have a plan, they could not have a plan. frick if I know, and that is the problem.






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TheJacer
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buddhavista


I'm really beginning to think you have a thing for Obama. Not sexually per se, but...something...

I've noticed the speaking majority of this board do not agree with Boehners politics. Nor do they side with the establishment republicans. I didn't see anything in this thread indicating the Repubs had a "plan." Yet I've seen you repeatedly accuse posters of hoisting Repubs onto some pedestal.


tl;dr I think it's called deflection. Not sure tho.






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TheJacer
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I think if you favor a medium sized government, than yes, we have a spending problem.

If you want a large government, one would say no I suppose. I would break it down into do we have a government problem or not?



I hadn't thought of it from the perspective of a person who WANTS massive gov't intervention.






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Bard
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I've noticed the speaking majority of this board do not agree with Boehners politics. Nor do they side with the establishment republicans. I didn't see anything in this thread indicating the Repubs had a "plan." Yet I've seen you repeatedly accuse posters of hoisting Repubs onto some pedestal.


He has a point though. Very little has come out about specific cuts the GOP wants to make.






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BigBoyTiger
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I don't doubt that obama would have said somethng like this but its not like boehner is a credible source IMHO.


Actions are louder than words, "Independent".






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TheJacer
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He has a point though. Very little has come out about specific cuts the GOP wants to make.


Yes, a very good point. I just had trouble finding the plan mentioned here. I want to hear a plan as bad as anyone and I think repub leaders are pathetic. The longer TEA Party leaders go without getting on the news and making some sort of appeal without at least the semblance of a plan, I get more and more annoyed with them also.






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buddhavista
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tl;dr I think it's called deflection. Not sure tho.

you would be wrong. Yall are just sucking boehner's cock on this, when last week, it sounded like many here wanted to get rid of him.

This is how it went down

Me: I don't trust boehner
Conservatives: Obama behavior shows he wont cut spending
Me: Well I don't see boehner doing it either
Conservatives: if he did, he would get crucified come election time
Me: I don't trust boehner

I didn't vote for obama, and didn't in 2008. But I really think the republicans in congress are just as bad as obama.

I would love to see a chainsaw taken to our entitlement programs. neither side is doing this though.

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He has a point though. Very little has come out about specific cuts the GOP wants to make.

thanks, and that really is my only point. I don't trust Boehner on this. he seems like a rat.






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TheJacer
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I think repub leaders are pathetic


I want to say I was very disheartened when Vitter didn't say something on the floor about Reids comments. Why is it democrat leaders can muster the gall to get up and say such nonsensical things and republicans can only manage to tuck their tails?

Sickens me.






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buddhavista
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re: President Obama to Boehner, "We don't have a spending problem..."


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Yes, a very good point. I just had trouble finding the plan mentioned here. I want to hear a plan as bad as anyone and I think repub leaders are pathetic. The longer TEA Party leaders go without getting on the news and making some sort of appeal without at least the semblance of a plan, I get more and more annoyed with them also.

I guess we agree then.

If you are criticizing obama for rejecting boehner's cuts, and you believe boehner....this implies he has a proposal out there. Thus a plan.







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Lucas Jackson
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When PPACA is enacted, I think it will actually reduce the defect. Healthcare costs are going to go down. We spend as much as a quarter of our budget on healthcare already.

The amazing thing is that it provides modern healthcare coverage while actually pumping life into the economy.







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TheJacer
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re: President Obama to Boehner, "We don't have a spending problem..."


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Me: Well I don't see boehner doing it either
Conservatives: if he did, he would get crucified come election time
Me: I don't trust boehner



Is that what the comment "spending cuts now = commercials come election year." meant?

I apologize, I understood it to mean something to the effect of "proposed spending cuts by republicans are not sincere, and are only used for reelection."

**Edit** added the smiley



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Bard
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When PPACA is enacted, I think it will actually reduce the defect. Healthcare costs are going to go down. We spend as much as a quarter of our budget on healthcare already.

The amazing thing is that it provides modern healthcare coverage while actually pumping life into the economy.


How does adding a massive government bureaucracy to something make it less expensive and more efficient? When has that ever happened in the history of our country?






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