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re: Fallacy: Miles philosophy of keeping games close

Posted on 1/7/13 at 11:07 am to
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
57359 posts
Posted on 1/7/13 at 11:07 am to
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and hence we have the current trend.


I'm glad the OP brought these stats to our attention. He helped the negatiger nation on this day.
Posted by Mayhawman
Somewhere in the middle of SEC West
Member since Dec 2009
10092 posts
Posted on 1/7/13 at 11:08 am to
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We sucked at MoV in 4 out of Miles 8 seasons...which proves the exact opposite of your assertion. The difference: 4 of the bad seasons came in the last 5 years.
Ah, so not making FBS Top 10 MoV is sucking? LSU wasn't at the bottom just because it didn't make Top 10 those 4 years.
Your "case" blows.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
57359 posts
Posted on 1/7/13 at 11:12 am to
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Ah, so not making FBS Top 10 MoV is sucking? LSU wasn't at the bottom just because it didn't make Top 10 those 4 years.


How'd they compare to the rest of the SEC, particular the good half in MoV in the last 5 seasons?

You see, the SEC is what matters. If we aren't good enough here from now on out, nothing else matters.
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 1/7/13 at 11:13 am to
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LSU wasn't at the bottom just because it didn't make Top 10 those 4 year
well, what place were they in?

do you know?
Posted by LSU Groupee
Member since Oct 2012
4026 posts
Posted on 1/7/13 at 11:23 am to
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I sincerely hope this is not a serious statement.


In 2010 JJ completed 56% of his passes, had 7 TDs, 10 ints, and a rating of 115.

In 2011 JJ completed 61%, had 6 TDs, 3 ints, and a rating of 139.

Both got better and you do have to be blind or bias not to see it.

They both still had major flaws in their QB ability as I have pointed out, but they improved.

I dont know why it's so hard for some of our negatigers to admit.
Posted by afatgreekcat
Atlanta, GA
Member since Jan 2013
2828 posts
Posted on 1/7/13 at 11:30 am to
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Both got better and you do have to be blind or bias not to see it


Bad is bad. Not much else to it.
Posted by Mayhawman
Somewhere in the middle of SEC West
Member since Dec 2009
10092 posts
Posted on 1/7/13 at 11:44 am to
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well, what place were they in?

do you know?
Prove your own point, as I proved mine.
All you need to do is show Miles didn't fail miserably at keeping the score close 4/8 years of his LSU tenure.

Good luck.
Posted by cajunjj
Madison, AL
Member since May 2008
7427 posts
Posted on 1/7/13 at 11:48 am to
Miles always plays down to the competition! Never goes for stile points. Some times gets to close for me like the Aub. game this year.
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 1/7/13 at 11:48 am to
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Prove your own point, as I proved mine.
I'm asking you to prove your point. You haven't.

In fact the data presents THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF YOUR OP.

You are currently booming yourself, made some outrageous claim I asked you to back up. You can't because the data doesn't agree with your absurd contention.
Posted by shang1
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Jul 2012
621 posts
Posted on 1/7/13 at 11:50 am to
To all you sunshine pumpers, why do most sports analysis not think much of Miles coaching in games? Just heard Barnhart say he was disappointed in "watching Miles mismanage the Clemson game for the hundredth time".
Posted by TickledTiger
Down & Out
Member since Dec 2007
2837 posts
Posted on 1/7/13 at 11:54 am to
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Because he doesn't want to


Awww, leave him alone he's working. So what's the going rate per post? Hope you guys get a raise next year.
Posted by Mayhawman
Somewhere in the middle of SEC West
Member since Dec 2009
10092 posts
Posted on 1/7/13 at 12:19 pm to
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In fact the data presents THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF YOUR OP.
How does LSU attaining FBS Top 10 in MoV 4/8 years not contradict a philosophy of keeping games close?
quote:

You are currently booming yourself, made some outrageous claim I asked you to back up.
I made no claim nor "boom", but did quote facts if you bother to check link.
quote:

You can't because the data doesn't agree with your absurd contention.
Wow. Your absurd contention must be LSU would have to finish FBS Top 10 MoV 8/8 years to dispel the fallacy of liking to keep games close.
Posted by HuRRiCaNe MiLeS
Bossier City
Member since Jan 2010
8153 posts
Posted on 1/7/13 at 12:22 pm to
Les miles is a great bowl coach as well if you give him a month to prepare.
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 1/7/13 at 12:23 pm to
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How does LSU attaining FBS Top 10 in MoV 4/8 years not contradict a philosophy of keeping games close?

do you know what a "trend" is? Do you understand temporal relationships?

quote:

Your absurd contention must be LSU would have to finish FBS Top 10 MoV 8/8 years to dispel the fallacy of liking to keep games close.


that wasn't my contention. Did you have similar difficulty when reading the article in the OP? Is that why you have no idea it refutes your point?
Posted by Mayhawman
Somewhere in the middle of SEC West
Member since Dec 2009
10092 posts
Posted on 1/7/13 at 1:02 pm to
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do you know what a "trend" is?
A "trend" that works only with removing the 2011 season? Very temporal.
quote:

Did you have similar difficulty when reading the article in the OP? I
The site shows LSU Top 10 FBS MoV 4/8 years (quite a feat) which refutes any staff philosophy of trying to keep games close.
I'm not sure what you get out of that link, but I'm sure it's negative towards LSU and the sky is falling.

So where is your evidence LSU staff has a philosophy of trying to keep games close?
Got a link or just more drivel?
Posted by LSU Groupee
Member since Oct 2012
4026 posts
Posted on 1/7/13 at 1:43 pm to
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Bad is bad. Not much else to it.


We were not discussing if both QBs were bad. We were talking about improvement from 2010 to 2011.

I pointed out the improvement you are too blind or bias to see and you jumped to another topic.

Negatigers dont like being proven wrong. I would think you guys would be use to it by now.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
57359 posts
Posted on 1/7/13 at 1:49 pm to
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A "trend" that works only with removing the 2011 season? Very temporal.


As opposed to relying on the weight of the first three seasons while ignoring the weight of the last FIVE to show a modern trend?

Wow
This post was edited on 1/7/13 at 1:51 pm
Posted by MastrShake
SoCal
Member since Nov 2008
7281 posts
Posted on 1/7/13 at 1:55 pm to
wow that was eye opening. i thought our offense sucked and needed fixing but apparently its terrific! hooray for us!
Posted by Lonnie4LSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
9525 posts
Posted on 1/7/13 at 2:43 pm to
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As opposed to relying on the weight of the first three seasons while ignoring the weight of the last FIVE to show a modern trend?


Trends are current results and don't contain 5 yr periods. Maybe 2 yrs or 3 tops.

Most reasonable people judge a program on its whole or last 2 to 3 yrs. When you start with the cherry picking you start losing creditability. imo

It's really kinda amusing that in 08, 09, and beginning of 2010 the little faith guys didn't want to talk 5 yrs, but only the current 2 &1/2 yr trend.

Now, the little faith guys want to talk 5 yrs and not 2 & 1/2. Go figure......

Kinda like at one time all rage here was the 8-8 SEC LSU 2 yr record. Now that its a 2 yr SEC record of 15-2, that's hardly ever even mentioned.
Go figure........

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