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Posted on 1/4/13 at 11:17 am to
Posted by BennyAndTheInkJets
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Posted on 1/4/13 at 11:17 am to
I can only advise you on how to allocate your 401k, and that you should definitely roll it into a Roth. A way to judge IRA vs. Roth is just to ask yourself if you believe taxes are going to be higher or lower when you retire. Higer - Roth, Lower - IRA.

Now in terms of allocating your 401k. You stated this is long-term, and I know I am a broken record when stating this mathematical relationship but no matter how often I repeat it, it never changes.

Security A = Goes up 60% then down 40%
Security B = Goes up 6% then down 4%.

Security B is worth more than your initial investment while Security A is worth less. The key to growing capital over the long-term is to avoid large losses. The longer your time horizon, the higher chances the turtle will always beat the hare.

With that in mind we go to allocation drivers. Developed economies are looking at 0-2% real growth over the next 3-5 years while emerging nations are looking at 4-5% real growth. From a technical perspective, the realm of "safe" assets (treasuries, mortgages, agency debentures) is decreasing, pushing prices up and yields down. Investors are starved for yield which pushes them out the risk spectrum, in this case investment grade credit bonds would be the logical next step.

The equity market is highly volatile and if you believe that we'll only see 0-2% real growth than that is not good reason to own equities over the long term in large amounts. You should still have exposure, but "playing stocks" should be left to your personal brokerage account rather than retirement. With all this in mind this is roughly the personal allocation that I have and what I have allocated for friends and family.

20-25% Emerging Markets Debt
- Preferably corporate bonds, because emerging market corporates are usually a quasi-sovereign entity, meaning that the government is more of a backstop. They will support them given trouble and take profits given success, this is bearish for their stock but bullish for debt. Also you pick up a very attractive amount of yield here.
20-25% Domestic Income
- This can be either investment grade credit, or any sort of income fund that can utilize municipals, high yield, IGC, etc.. The key here is that the Fed will likely stay on hold with rates till 2015-2016, so with no capital appreciation from rate movements maximizing income is your next best bet. If you have an option of "Long Duration" or "Long Corporate Bonds" take it. Even if rates rise you're still paid out at par and the more you extend duration the more yield you pick up.
10-15% Real Assets
- You mentioned precious metals but by real assets this can be either commodities, real estate, REITs, or even some commodity company stock funds. The basic rationale is that population grows faster than resources, the most basic technical relationship for price apprecation. You won't receive income from commodities (which is why they are not defined as securities), but you have enough income already from the other allocations. This is the most volatile of your allocations, so my advice is never look at this that often. Just wait a couple quarters or years before you look at performance. My personal advice is to go for REITs right now, the housing market is coming back and REITS pay out 90% of taxable income in dividends.
10-15% Domestic Value Equties
- Focus on dividends especially, corporations have a huge amount of cash sitting around and still don't really know what to do with it. The fiscal cliff/debt ceiling negotiations will be continuing for a long time with the next chapter at the end of February. In long bull markets growth will outperform value, in bear markets and muddle-through markets value will outperform growth. You already have a volatile allocation with real assets so just let quality pay (Security A vs. Security B relationship).
10-15% International Bonds
- Ever since the ECB announced the OMT program I have had full faith in recommending this. You'll pick up some extra yield compared to treasuries with this allocation while taking advantage of some mis-pricing in Europe with Spain and Italian yields still pretty high outside the 3-year maturity.
10-15% International Equities
- I trust international equities more than emerging market equities simply for the quasi relationship I spoke to eariler. Also this will be a good way to have indirect negative dollar exposure (if you believe the dollar will depreciate in the future) without having to take actual currency risk.
10-15% Inflation Protection
- This can be either in the form of TIPS or any other "Real Return" fund. Commodities are probably a "better" hedge for inflation but they are very volatile. However, you should have inflation protection so if you decide with REITs or commodity companies in the Real Asset allocation, than make this allocation higher. If you decide commodities or real estate you can get away with lowering this allocation.

All these together cut down the beta of your portfolio with correlations that hedge accordingly. Good luck.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
80232 posts
Posted on 1/4/13 at 11:38 am to
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BennyAndTheInkJets


Holy shite


Thanks for the info... Its going to take me a while to process all of it
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 1/4/13 at 12:10 pm to
Of course, I have my own take on this particular allocation but will have to follow up later when I'm not at work.

Not that Benny is somehow "wrong", it's more that if you ask ten financial advisers their opinions you will get over a dozen valid answers in addition to the invalid ones.

Regarding "playing with stocks" - I think it's a good idea to do this early in one's investing career. The usual result is that you will do reasonably well initially, then get overconfident and bet way too large and lose the shirt off your back. It is far better to learn this early while the money involved isn't that much instead of after retirement when you're bored and rich.
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
9282 posts
Posted on 1/4/13 at 4:57 pm to
quote:

Security A = Goes up 60% then down 40%
Security B = Goes up 6% then down 4%.

Security B is worth more than your initial investment while Security A is worth less. The key to growing capital over the long-term is to avoid large losses. The longer your time horizon, the higher chances the turtle will always beat the hare.

With that in mind we go to allocation drivers. Developed economies are looking at 0-2% real growth over the next 3-5 years while emerging nations are looking at 4-5% real growth. From a technical perspective, the realm of "safe" assets (treasuries, mortgages, agency debentures) is decreasing, pushing prices up and yields down. Investors are starved for yield which pushes them out the risk spectrum, in this case investment grade credit bonds would be the logical next step.

The equity market is highly volatile and if you believe that we'll only see 0-2% real growth than that is not good reason to own equities over the long term in large amounts. You should still have exposure, but "playing stocks" should be left to your personal brokerage account rather than retirement. With all this in mind this is roughly the personal allocation that I have and what I have allocated for friends and family.


There are numerous papers by competent parties which have studied equity returns over long periods of time which point to slower growing economies exhibiting stronger equity returns than faster growing economies. What you have written regarding projected/estimated future real returns would seem to make rational sense, but often it has not.

The future is unknown. I am still a fan of the Ben Graham's 25/75 guideline, it might dampen gains in some years, but does provide a cushion in avoiding large losses when market valuations are high. During a period of above average market valuations one could also choose investments in funds or ETFs which have captured significant upside and experienced lower downside risk compared to investments in market cap indexes. Some people's personalities and skill set tilt them to trading, that's not my investing method. Personally, I would not buy domestic REITs at current yields (which include ROC in most distributions) and valuations. International, maybe.

I have 20% of my portfolio in TIPS, primarily in individual bonds that were bought when real yields were much higher. Today, I couldn't advocate buying short or other duration TIPS as one is either buying negative yielding securities or accepting the volatility of long bonds for very inconsequential real yield. I bonds are a maybe, at least one is guaranteed stability of principal and maintains the option to sell with a very minimal ding to accrued interest after Yr1, through Yr5, then no penalty.
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