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re: Just got back from seeing Django Unchained
Posted on 12/26/12 at 6:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 12/26/12 at 6:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
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and waltz was a lot better in IB, plus there were great performances by the french scarlet jo and diane kruger
there wasn't anything like that in django, imho. jamie fox just was mean and black and shultz was unremarkable. leo was pretty good, though
Wow. Foxx performance was very nuanced. He had the biggest character of any character. By the end he was displaying his intelligence in a "King Shultz" manner in order to get freedom from the slavers. And just black? lol. no need for comment there.
Shultz was incredible. "Almost" as good as Hans Lada. He's just more zany, he's so caught in the most elaborate things that it leads to his breakdown at the end. He's use to having the upper hand. He's use to control. The 1st half of the movie Shultz character was fantastic. By the 2nd half he was still great, but conflicted. After warning Django not to lose his emotions...he lost his...because Shultz was never "built" for this type of environment.
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jackson was a one-trick pony who got old after the initial scene (which was hilarious)
What was Brad Pitt? Also...you completely missed the point of Jackson's character. He was "putting on" for the petulant child in Candy in front of everybody. Jackson was the calculated brains behind Candyland. Great turn in acting for Jackson
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they were forced and repetitive, like samuel j jackson's character
Eh..your opinion. I thought they were well executed to let us know the mind of King Shultz...which brings me to my next point..
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but there was no real development to that point. it was like a 180 all of a sudden that created conflict
shultz had issues with slavery and then after doing a good thing just goes, "frick it i'm going to die here making a moral point in front of people who won't give a shite, instead of leaving and coming back to kill them later." like i said, it was just forced
Shultz blew it the minute he started antagonizing Candy. Shultz made a mistake. He was told by the lawyer what gets on Calvin's nerves. It was his "Goodbye/frick you" He warned Django about the exact same thing he fell victim for.
Django doesnt "Fall out of character" because he's use to it. As he tells Candy when they kill the guy with the dogs. He's use to that world. King is not. King was traumatized from that incident and even tried to pay off Candy in order to save the guy. Foxx wouldnt let it happen because it would be "out of character"
What we are seeing from the 1st half of the movie...SHULTZ is in control. The 2nd half of the movie exposes Shultz to a world where there was no control. He is the one who caves in on his emotions...not Django. Thats why despite all the terrible shite that happens....Django never pulls his weapon. After insulting Candy...and Candy insisting on shaking his hand in Shultz mind it was going one of two ways. He can shake his hand, continue his "Losing to Candy", let this evil POS go and they all leave. Or he knows he messed up by antagonizing Candy and they wont let him leave alive anymore. So he took his "one shot" and killed the guy .
Thus the line "I couldnt help myself"
Then sets up the Broohilda(sp) saving by Seigfried(sp) story that he told Django early on (story wise)
This post was edited on 12/26/12 at 6:48 pm
Posted on 12/26/12 at 6:55 pm to Rittdog
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He had the biggest character of any character. By the end he was displaying his intelligence in a "King Shultz" manner in order to get freedom from the slavers.
this change occurred in like 3 scenes and a montage
based on my guess about the flashback at the end, this chunk was SEVERELY cut out of the movie
and he already was doing similar things when they were at don johnson's plantation
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Shultz was incredible. "Almost" as good as Hans Lada. He's just more zany, he's so caught in the most elaborate things that it leads to his breakdown at the end. He's use to having the upper hand. He's use to control. The 1st half of the movie Shultz character was fantastic. By the 2nd half he was still great, but conflicted. After warning Django not to lose his emotions...he lost his...because Shultz was never "built" for this type of environment.
i think a lot of this is filling in gaps that you want to believe in more than what we actually see on screen
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What was Brad Pitt?
i didn't bring him up in the good acting part of IB
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Shultz blew it the minute he started antagonizing Candy. Shultz made a mistake. He was told by the lawyer what gets on Calvin's nerves. It was his "Goodbye/frick you" He warned Django about the exact same thing he fell victim for.
Django doesnt "Fall out of character" because he's use to it. As he tells Candy when they kill the guy with the dogs. He's use to that world. King is not. King was traumatized from that incident and even tried to pay off Candy in order to save the guy. Foxx wouldnt let it happen because it would be "out of character"
and yet the doc does just fine for half of the movie without any effects and then when it's dramatically suitable, he has an emotional breakdown. you can have it one way or the other, but not both. it was a forced change and not real characterization. i mean hell the flashbacks alone were cheap in this regard
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