I'm not sure what you want me to tell you then. What kind of answer are you looking for? If you are unaware of the impact of style of play in the international game then I have no answers for you.

Additionally, you are an Arsenal fan..am I right? It seems to me you know very little about your own players. You talk about the value comparison between RIbery and Walcott, yet you fail to acknowledge the outstanding season Walcott is having. He is every bit as important to his club as Ribery is to his (regardless of "value"). You also seem to be unaware of the role Wilshere will have in an English midfield.

Furthermore, I have already presented you with a pool of roughly 25 (mostly young) English players. The majority of those players are technically sound and like to play short passes on the turf, which is already a major step up from the previous generation. This will be key when competing in international tournaments. Not to mention they will have a world class keeper and striker, two supremely important qualities most top countries have.

Your original premise asked about "bright spots" and "optimism." Yet your argument has virtually centered around comparing them to Germany, which is both idiotic and unfair. You bring up losing Gerrard and Lampard, but if you are familiar with English history at all, you would know this is nothing but a good thing. Gerrard may still be around in 2014 and may be capable of playing the DLP role. He will have at least 2 seasons in Rodgers' system by then and that will help complete him as a player. It seems Rodgers is valuing Gerrard's longevity over immediate success by playing him in a deeper role. His game has already changed and that can only help England's chances.

You know it's a silly argument when I am defending an English national team.

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Posted on 12/21/12 at 12:01 pm to LSUSOBEAST1

I was semi-trolling on Ribery vs. Walcott in the initial post since it was overly sarcastic anyway. I was less than sober and using my phone in the driveway of a friend's house which explains the crazy capitalization and stuff. Regardless, since you insist...

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If you are unaware of the impact of style of play in the international game then I have no answers for you

What on earth are you going on about here? You just allowed yourself to get way off from the point. The question is, who's better? Ribery does everything that Walcott can do and is way more complete. What can Walcott do that is elite? He's very fast, makes good runs, and can finish. That's about it.

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Additionally, you are an Arsenal fan..am I right? It seems to me you know very little about your own players. You talk about the value comparison between RIbery and Walcott, yet you fail to acknowledge the outstanding season Walcott is having.

Why is this relatively good season for him relevant to the point I was trying to make regarding his overall quality? You're not suggesting that he's comparable to Ribery in value, are you? My larger point is that England has NO ONE on the same level as Ribery in terms of playmaking and quality in the midfield. He is insanely more valuable, and his play for Bayern actually translates pretty well into the French midfield.

Keep in mind this all stems from you singling out one of the teams I listed that I could consider being debatable. And then a subpoint based on players. I haven't even mentioned Evra, Clichy, Koscielny yet. Or Benzema for stirker. If Walcott is having a good season, Giroud has definitely been coming into his own in the EPL. However, you have succeeded in putting me on the defensive on a relatively weaker point. I guess you should go to law school.

Back to England. If you look at the truly elite teams in the EPL, young English midfielders are a severe rarity. I noticed you haven't defended Wilshere too much in here.

And I honestly have not seen a pool of 25 players posted in this thread.

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Yet your argument has virtually centered around comparing them to Germany, which is both idiotic and unfair.

lol wut? I mentioned that once that I know of, maybe twice. How about the two South American powers I mentioned? Wilshere doesn't scratch their lineups in meaningful playing time. Additionally, he's one of the two names that's been provided and has been touted as a guy that's going to change the English national team, which is a joke.

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