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Dandy Lion
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re: Biggest Rock N Roll Hall of Fame Omissions


Had REM not done the horrendous ´Stand´and ´Shiny Happy People´, they´d probably not be in.





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matthew25
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Chicago
Moody Blues
Grand Funk R/R

Then, Marshall Tucker Band



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SAL MINIO
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re: Biggest Rock N Roll Hall of Fame Omissions


Most shocking to me is the absence of the Moody Blues.





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Baloo
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It's a popularity contest and those bands aren't terribly popular. It's no knock on them, just the nature of the beast.

and that's the problem. It's like having a Movie Directors Hall of Fame and excluding Fellini because of his poor box office. Or keeping out the Coens for the same reason.

Sure, sales matter to some degree. I'm not arguing for the Minutemen or Mission of Burma despite both being hugely influential and totally awesome. But if we're just going on sales, put in Huey Lewis and Linkin Park. Linkin Park sold a diamond record, too. There has to be some level of merit, and it's also not like the Replacements are some massively obscure band. Almost all of their albums charted and they ended up on a major label by their career's end. Same with Sonic Youth and the Pixies, who are two of the most influential bands of the 80s. Though I do notice you cut off my paragraph to ignore the part about Velvet Underground.

The question is: what is the purpose of the museum? Is it there just so the music industry can honor their best salesmen? Then plunk in whoever has the best sales figures and no one cares. It's not supposed to be a museum to things that were popular 30 years ago (which is what it has largely become).

My point is if the point of the museum is to tell the history of rock n roll, you should induct the bands that are most important to the story. I like Heart. I think Dreamboat Annie kicks ass, but you can certainly tell the story of rock n roll without them. On the flip side, I think you can;t tell the story without mentioning prog (so in comes Yes and probably King Crimson, even though I agree with Jan Wenner on prog).

But if I'm telling the story of 80s rock, the story is largely this: the big labels pushed bland hair metal acts who sold sex, drugs, and escapism as well as "classic rock" acts which sold Boomer nostalgia. And as the new generation came of age, they largely rejected these bands and turned to hip hop, MTV Euro-style pop, metal, and what would become "alternative". The 90s alt-rock boom and the explosion of gangsta rap were built on the bedrocks of the 80s.

So, if I was building a museum dedicated to the history of rock, I'd include bands from each strand, even the dead end of hair metal. The 80s bands I'd likely include would be:

Def Leppard
Van Halen (already in)

Madonna (in)
Prince (in)

Metallica (already in)
Iron Maiden

Public Enemy (already in)
Run DMC (in)

The Replacements
Sonic Youth

And Michael Jackson is his own category.

I think you could go down ballot in some categories (Duran Duran and INXS for MTV-style pop, the Pixies and Fugazi for indie, NWA and Eric B & Rakim for hip hop, Judas Priest and Megadeth for metal, Motley Crue for hiar metal). But the key shouldn't be "what's my favorite band?" or "who sold the most records?" It should be: "which bands are essential to the story?"






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SanDiegeauxSteve
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Rock and Roll Hall of Fame should exclude any of the above who are not considered rock and roll. Rap and hip-hop, while very enjoyable, are not rock and roll. Why should any of them, along with disco and R&B artists, go into this Hall of Fame? Doesn't make sense and is illogical.





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Baloo
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Because they are rock n roll. And the HOF has, from its inception, inducted artists from outside the traditional blues-based guys with guitars model. It's completely logical to induct hip hop artist as it IS rock n roll. That's why Run DMC declared themselves the Kings of Rock. They were.





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SanDiegeauxSteve
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Which takes us back to the original premise, which is that the R&R HOF is a joke. Any supposed rock and roll society that puts in Donna Summer and excludes KISS is a fricking joke, period.

I listened to Run DMC in the '80s. I am a big hip-hop and rap fan. But I don't care if they called themselves the Kings of Rock. That's like sitting in your garage and calling yourself a car. They are good, but Kings of Rock? Nah. I started listening to rap/hip-hop with the advent of The Sugarhill Gang, but never mistook what they were doing for rock and roll. Let them get their own hall.






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Baloo
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Donna Summer and Kiss were on the same label. And it was Donna keeping the doors of Casablanca open, not Kiss. Also, you can draw a pretty straight line from Motown to Donna Summer. Summer's also credited as being the mother of electronic dance music. Hey, I'm not a fan, but give her her propers. She's had a profound influence on pop music.

Yeah, I'd put her in the rock Hall first. It's a joke she wasn't in already, and just speaks to this residual hatred of disco. Though I'd probably put Nile Rogers in before her, as a producer. He's the father of disco.






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SanDiegeauxSteve
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Yeah, I actually participated in the disco club scene back in the 70s. My ex-wife was a huge Donna Summer fan, and we spent many a night "getting busy" to the long LP version of Love To Love You Baby played over and over. I still say it's not rock and roll. Like the Dire Straits song says, "They don't give a damn about any trumpet playin' band...it ain't what they call rock and roll." That's the way I feel about other genres of music.





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