re: Anyone of the good negotiating pursuasion post on the OB?

I see why you suck at talking them down. Just reading your post you sound like they shouldnt come down. If your going to do it, youhave to believe its too high. Then grab the gun and point out every little spec, scratch, flaw, etc... you can find. Work for it man and convince them they are asking too much. Thats how you do it. Good luck